Don't hold your breath for Zimbabwe talks
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The leaders of Zimbabwe's opposition party, the Movement for Democratic Change, and the leader of the ZANU-PF, Robert Mugabe, have signed a "historic" and unprecedented deal which is expected to pave the way for power-sharing talks between the two parties.
While news of the agreement has been welcomed in many capitals and the mediator President Thabo Mbeki showered with praise for his efforts, I believe nothing substantive will result from the talks and the people of Zimbabwe will be the biggest losers in this process.
Many Zimbabweans do not believe Mugabe was sincere yesterday when he signed the agreement setting the agenda for talks in Harare. The man still ridiculed his opposition as puppets of the west and went even further to claim the presidency he won through hook and crook was legitimate. His demeanour and obvious arrogance were of a man who was not in the mood to share power let alone honour his agreement. We need not go into how Mugabe has shown contempt for the talks by sending junior members of his party to negotiate on his behalf. Had the man been serious he would have sent negotiators from his inner circle to negotiate on his behalf.
Mugabe just wants to get the Southern African Development Community (SADC) monkey off his back. Faced with the real threat of being suspended from the SADC summit in a few weeks, Mugabe wants to go to the summit and claim to be talking to the opposition. He will claim the two-week deadline in which they agreed to hold talks was not adequate and more consultation between him and the opposition is required.
I also foresee a situation in which Mugabe will throw the whole process into disarray and unilaterally appoint a government with elements of the opposition that he can buy off with his elaborate policy of patronage. When Morgan Tsvangirai and like-minded people raise voices of disapproval, Mugabe will accuse them of not having their own minds and being puppets of the west and of throwing spanners in the works - therefore forcing him to take action to "save" the country.
The fact of the matter is that African heads of state and government, by asking Mugabe to set a government of national unity, have set a dangerous precedent for the rest of the continent. They have cleared the way for African heads of state, when threatened with the possibility of losing power, to engage in heinous crimes against their own people. They endeavour to shield each other from the international courts by claiming that the arrest would destabilise their regions, as is the case with Sudan today! How pathetic.
As we await the outcome of the "talks", due in two weeks, I strongly urge the world not to hold its breath in anticipation of a resolution of Zimbabwe's problems. Mugabe and Mbeki are just waiting for the Zimbabwean issue to blow away from the world's attention and then continue abusing the Zimbabwean people's rights. I certainly believe that Zimbabwe should remain on the agenda of the United Nations Security Council and the African Union until another round of genuinely free and fair elections are held.
The world's progressive forces should continue to keep the world attention on Zimbabwe until the people of Zimbabwe have genuine democratic freedoms and which will be a launch pad for economic prosperity. An economic rescue package for Zimbabwe's devastated economy which now employs less that 15 per cent of its population should be cobbled up as a matter of urgency. It should be made clear that this package will be availed only after Mugabe gives up the reigns of power.
Mugabe and his allies on the other hand should continue feeling the pinch. The issue of targeted sanctions on the regime should continue. Their children should be sent back from western countries where they are studying and instead come face to face to the devastation their fathers have brought upon Zimbabwean people. Assets stolen and pillaged from the Zimbabwean people must be frozen and the attendance of these despicable people at any world forum must be met with the most outspoken criticism and protest.
Peter Nhamo is a pseudonym. The author, who lives in Zimbabwe, has requested anonymity.
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dragon:
25 Jul 2008 9:22:51am
'sincere' sits as well next to Mugabe as it did with Idi Amin !
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Tank:
25 Jul 2008 11:20:15am
Ditto the rest of Africa's so-called political ``leaders.''
They should all be ashamed of themselves for letting Mugabe and his thugs destroy Zimbabwe over the past 30 years.
Mbecki/Tutu/Mandela all hang your heads in shame.
You spent half your lives nobly rallying the rest of the world to help free South Africa from the yoke of aparthied yet you have all been next to useless trying to end the bloody carnage in the country next door to you.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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BJ:
25 Jul 2008 9:23:57pm
Tank
If you take that argument in its most literal sense, then Australia could stand accused of letting its regional neighbours remain ridden with problems.
Zimbabwe's solution must be found from within Zimbabwe - but this is not to say that Mbeki has contributed much !!
Much to its shame, Zimbabwe is now fighting over an economic pie the size of a pea. Its nadir will arrive when even printing money won't pay the civil service and armed forces to afford even basic staples - then all hell will break loose as the country disintegrates into tinpot fiefdoms ruled by local chieftains.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Roger Wilco:
25 Jul 2008 9:28:10am
This Zimbabwe issue has wholely become a problem for Zimbabwe, South Africa and at the most for the African continent. I don't see how this will change when Russia and China vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution in July 2008 which would have imposed an arms embargo against Zimbabwe and financial and travel sanctions.
Tsvangiria was stupid for shaking Mugabe's hand. All it did was legitimise Mugabe's hold on the dictatorship. Don't hold your breath for solid international intervention. Mugabe will be in power until he croaks.
Dare i say it, at this point (violence, starvation, rampang inflation, etc) Zimbabwe would have been better off ruled by its former collonial power.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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el pancho:
25 Jul 2008 9:38:49am
Morgan would have also been better off contesting the run-off election.
Appeasing Mugabe will not save lives in the long term. They will die from starvation...Agree (0) Alert moderator
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PaulB:
25 Jul 2008 10:01:46am
Roger Wilco,
You are right that there won't be international intervention in Zimbabwe, but why would there be?
And if the world were to intervene in nations based on lack of democracy, human rights abuses etc, Zimbabwe would be down the priority list of states to be dealt with.
Its popularity as a cause in the West baffles me. It is mostly media driven & like drones, the consumers of media follow the thought path laid out for them. So Zimbabwe it will be for the foreseeable future!
Enjoy your anonimity Kim Jong-Il. Who?Agree (0) Alert moderator
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MIMMIE:
25 Jul 2008 1:39:58pm
The only way out is if this old fools dies, and with that being said nothing will change till then.
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BJ:
25 Jul 2008 9:27:00pm
MIMMIE
It won't change anything either.
The politburo of top army brass rules the country, not its supposed figurehead. They will continue patronage as necessary, for now.
When the low-level officer ranks of the armed forces (and their families) go starving while they watch the top brass live like kings, then it will break down !!Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Tindo:
25 Jul 2008 2:45:10pm
roger wilco I respect your opinions but to say that Zimbabwe would have been better off under the colonialists that raped killed and stopped the progression of the black Zimbabwean is careless. I gree that Mugabe and his cronies have not done much better but there is no lesser evil
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EP:
26 Jul 2008 8:05:58pm
Yet Roger Wilco is correct.
Under colonial rule, Zimbabwe was a prosperous country with enough food for everyone, and far less violence.
It is to the shame of the African liberation movements that this has been allowed to happen.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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el pancho:
25 Jul 2008 9:32:59am
yay for the UN...
mbeki should be thrown out after his pathetic appeasement of Mugabe.
Zimbabwe will just be a massive hole in the ground because of this sociopathAgree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
25 Jul 2008 9:44:39am
A very good article with well reasoned positions.
Our left wing bretheren in Australia are strangely silent on this issue. Come on guys, explain to us how much better off the people of Zimbabwe are after having thrown off the colonial yoke.
Explain to us how the people of Zim are all equal under this maniac.
South Africa appears heading in the same direction. If that happens, wave goodbye to the whole continent in terms of human rights, self determination and prosperity.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Tindo:
25 Jul 2008 2:50:57pm
Mr mo we got rid of one evil now its time to deal with another dont try to justify colonialism
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asdfs:
25 Jul 2008 2:59:54pm
"If that happens, wave goodbye to the whole continent in terms of human rights, self determination and prosperity."
Did ever occur to you that colonialism and self-detrmination are incompatible?Agree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
25 Jul 2008 5:51:55pm
Tindo and asdfs
You seem to think that the Zimbaweans are now better off. I am just asking which of the two evils you prefer?
Idealism is fine but it will not feed the Zimbabwean kids.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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EP:
26 Jul 2008 8:07:20pm
The Zimbabweans are far worse off now.
That is the problem for the ideological Left. They can't admit that colonialism had its positive side.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Id:
27 Jul 2008 11:43:28am
I don't see any comments about Cecil Rhodes or Ian Smith.
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GDH:
25 Jul 2008 9:45:15am
I think the body langauge of Mugabe as he shook hands said it all. notheing has changed.
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Andrew Fynn:
25 Jul 2008 9:54:50am
It seems that only organization and brave resistance among the people of Zimbabwe will redeem this more than painful situation. A campaign of organized civil disobedience could do for black Africans in Zimbabwe what it did for Indians in South Africa.
Let the Zimbabwean Ghandi stand up. Or a nation of them.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Bertrand:
25 Jul 2008 10:04:37am
The birtish werent prepared to shoot the indians by the thousand. Mugabe is. Civil disobedience is ultimately dependant on the good intentions of the rulers.
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Rod:
25 Jul 2008 10:49:44am
But yes they did Bertrand.
Many a massacre was well recorded during their reign of terror. Otherwise known as colonialisationAgree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
25 Jul 2008 11:53:38am
Rod, that was then, this is now. The sins of the fathers..... etc. There is no doubt Russia & China a fuelling this with arms and probably more.
Russia & China are still running / developing colonial empires. Why pick on those who no longer run them?Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Tindo:
25 Jul 2008 2:54:55pm
The west still run developing countries Mr mo. Exploitation still exists in these countries. In most countries the west decides which puppet to run the country.
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EP:
26 Jul 2008 8:08:16pm
Do you have ay evidence for this extraordinary claim? Or is it just left-wing propaganda?
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Stev0-P:
25 Jul 2008 11:19:28am
Whenever the British showed hesitation in putting down rebellions, they copped an earful in the parliament and letters-to-the-editor back in England. Example, eminents like Charles Dickens wrote very popular pamphlets on teaching the "sub-human savages" a lesson after the Sepoy Uprising of 1857.
The more shrewd Indian rebels led their masses to political leverage by blocking Britain's wealth sourced from certain Indian industries. This put the entire economy of the British colonies at stake.
Perhaps, theoretically, as in every disagreement, the Zimbabweans rebelling against Mugabe can find their similar leverage, too.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Wyndham:
25 Jul 2008 10:14:29am
The Zimbabwe issue once again highlights the inadequacies of the U.N.
Unless that organisation is run democratically, were every member regardless of size or power has equal influence and the majority rules it is of very limited use.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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PaulB:
25 Jul 2008 10:48:45am
Wyndham,
The majority of UN member states are run by tyrants, dictators, fascists, Stalinists, Kings & religious fundamentalists. Most contribute nothing to the body, neither funding, intellectual insight or secular humanist values.
A few secular democracies entirely fund the UN, the USA contributing 1/4 of the costs, alone. The tyrants contribute nothing. But your propsal would see the USA, UK & France removed as permanent members of the Secuirty Council & replaced by who? China + Russia + Iran + Burma + Sudan? That'll help the world, no end!
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Pen Pal:
25 Jul 2008 10:21:03am
The problem in Rhodesia started when Ian Smith unilaterally declared independence from Britain.
The problem was exacerbated when Britain agreed to self rule, Mugabe was elected, the name of the country changed to Zimbabwe and they hauled down the Union Jack - it has continued down the slippery slope ever since.
What's the inflation rate today - 2 million percent??
Morgan Tsvangari has shaken hands with the "devil" and will now be tarnished with all the evils perpetrated by Mugabe.
Mr Tsvangari should have shown Mugabe his middle finger and allowed him (Mugabe) to be further isolated.
Mr Mbeki wouldn't know what day of the week it is and I agree that South Africa is headed in the same direction.
The United Nations can't "frig" around anymore and there is no choice but for outside forces to take control, if for no other reason than for the safety, wellbeing and advancement of the ordinary Zimbabwean who wants to live a normal and peaceful life.
If peaceful civil disobedience is part of the Zimbabwean's armoury, then bring it on and tell Mr Tsvangari to "move aside" and get out of the way and we'll tell him when to come back and take control!Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Stev0-P:
25 Jul 2008 11:08:14am
Actually "the problem started" when the British introduced concepts like:
(1) A central, rather than various tribal, government with a bureaucracy reinforced by firearms. The world's unscrupulous arms manufacturers always claim they are doing the right thing by dealing with the official state rulers. The culprits are, unsurprisingly, the permanent members of the UN Security council, plus Belgium (the official stenographer of the EU).
(2) Democracy, the tyranny by the majority, rather than the existing tribal method or re-negotiation by consensus.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Bertrand:
25 Jul 2008 12:00:53pm
Because tribal government isnt ever tyrannical, is it.
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Ford:
25 Jul 2008 1:13:42pm
I find it most lolworthy when people suggest that stone-age tribal systems, no different to the tin pot dictatorships of Saddam and Kim Jong Il and Pol pot, ar eput forward as an attractive alternative to democracy.
I'll take the tyranny of the majority over the tyranny of one any day.
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PenPal:
25 Jul 2008 2:56:18pm
SteveO-P:
Don't let's split hairs here - by any measure, Rhodesia was prosperous and calm under colonial rule.
Sure, it wasn't perfect, but nothing and nowhere is!. However, if you invited me to Zimbabwe today I would thank you very much and return your ticket.
I think a straw poll in Zimbabwe today would overwhelmingly ask for the British to come back.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Tindo:
25 Jul 2008 3:00:10pm
As a Zimbabwean I can assure you that we are still happy that the union jack is no longer raised in Zim and that its not rhodesia its Zimbabwe. We will get it right there is no doubt about that
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Smarts:
25 Jul 2008 10:31:03pm
As a Rhodesian, I am appalled at the state of Zimbabwe as it stands today - millions of black people starving, being beaten, killed on orders of their 'leader' Mugabe - he is nothing but a violent thug who has an over-inflated ego - it is time for him to go - whichever method I don't care. Many innocent people are suffering you dare to say that Zimbabweans are still happy that the Union Jack is no longer flying - you really need a reality check mate - if Smith was given the time he needed to carry out his long-term plans the country would still be more than prosperous and under black rule today - that is a fact. What is in doubt is whether the people of this once-beautiful country will survive this despot of a leader and find the strength to rebuild what is now and has been destroyed over the last twenty years! Mugabe lines his pockets with international funds, he has 20 plus chefs and his people are dying of starvation.
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BJ:
26 Jul 2008 11:34:49am
Tindo
Millions of Zimbabweans are starving and don't care where the food comes from. Locals plead the handful of tourists that go there to pay in anything but worthless Zimbabwean dollars. A life expectancy in the 30's.
This is not colonial interference, this an unmitigated humanitarian disaster.
"We will get it right" - how?? By continuing to pursue the policies that got you into this mess??
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Norm McMullen:
29 Jul 2008 6:53:27pm
Pen Pal, large forces are needed to deal with Mugabe? He wouldn't be my 'cup of tea' but again African politics are not my concern so lets call on GB to sort it out. Zimbabwe couldn't become any worse than the shambles Iraq is in after George's intervention. Or the mess Vietnam was left in.
I'll bet a quid GB is - or has been wishing - that he had listened more closely to Colin Powell rather than Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice et all. We have problems here in Oz that need attention. Like where we need constitutional change and an Opposition that knows how to oppose! That is our concern!Agree (0) Alert moderator
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erik:
25 Jul 2008 10:38:17am
its a shame america and the uk are bogged down in the middle east because this is a country and a continent for that matter that deserves our undivided attention.
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PaulB:
25 Jul 2008 11:01:54am
erik,
Disagree for two reasons. You say, "America & the UK are bogged down...", so nobody else could do anything anywhere? I assume by this you mean militarily. If that is the case, are the European Union military eunichs? France, Germany, Italy...... no cojones amongst them?
The reason they won't act militarily, just like the USA or UK is there is no strategic benefit in using force, in Zimbabwe. A 20-30 year guerilla war, for what? If altruism s the motivation then we would have rolled into Cuba, Iran, North Korea decades ago.Agree (1) Alert moderator
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Tindo:
25 Jul 2008 3:09:27pm
You are right paul the west is self serving. Their politicians like to come out and act as if they are there for the greater good of mankind
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MO:
25 Jul 2008 11:30:36am
Erik, please explain why the African continent deserves our UNDIVIDED attention.
It is a big statement to leave hanging out there.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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60+:
25 Jul 2008 10:45:55am
The situation in Zimbabwe is simply an extreme example of the post liberation political situation in many countries in Africa. The skills and attributes needed to conduct a successful revolution against a colonial government are not the same as those needed to run an independant country.
The problem is compounded by the legacy of colonial administration where the very borders of the country and it's administrative structures were established to allow a small central administration to control a large diverse population.
When a revolutionary administration takes over the country simply changed from a European dictatorship to an African dictatorship. Most dictators are very popular when they first arrive, 'liberators' even more so. The tragedy is that they have a reasonably clear plan to follow and while they may embrace the appearance of democracy the practice of popular elections is perverted into rule for life.
The return to rule by an elite either from the UN, a new colonial power like China or even to the next popular dictator may improve the lot of the people but it does not provide a roadmap to achieve 'Western democratic government'. The underpining of democracy is an effective (apolitical) public administration and public scrutiny.
If Mr Tsvangiria is able to gain power and immediately seeks to establish an open administrative system with public accountability then he is automatically preparing the ground for for his own loss of power. If he becomes part of the current system he becomes an extension of the problem.
The true achievment of Mandela in South Africa was his acceptance that he had to hand on power. His successor appears to not have fully learned that lesson and therefore is contributing to the problem in Zimbabwe rather than helping to solve it.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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lodza:
25 Jul 2008 10:59:48am
Nice story on Zim
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Bob:
25 Jul 2008 11:22:27am
The negative western media has only black power sharing/brokering agenda's at heart and doesnt paint an accurate picture of the real needs of the Zimbabwian peoples plight. I am african and have been to zimbabwe and visited the people myself. The inspiration for this shared government in my opinion can only be borne out of a necessary and real desire to work for the good of the nations future prosperity and development. To me, all the negative spin from the western media is nothing more than institutional racism and old school colonialism fostering resentment and hard line attitudes to old regimes which want to change. Accountability is important, however, this doesnt change the status necessarily of the people on the ground, and lets face it, those are all who matter.
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Roger Wilco:
25 Jul 2008 1:32:14pm
Institutional racism...old school colonialism.. negative media.. "real desire to work for the good of the nations future prosperity and development"....hmm
Unfortunately for you, numbers don't lie, and I wonder if anyone can state that 1 Australian Dollar = 31942304971 Zimbabwe Dollar is a great boost for the Zimbabwe economy.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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spud:
25 Jul 2008 2:19:45pm
You forgot to allow for the time difference. 1 Australian Dollar is (approximately) 63742304971 Zimbabwe Dollar as of 14.16 and 32 seconds EST (Australia; GMT +10).
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BJ:
26 Jul 2008 11:24:45am
It's a currency where the paper it is printed on is worth more than the note's supposed value !!
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Tank:
25 Jul 2008 1:55:09pm
Gee Bob, what's racist about hating to see men, women and children killed and tortured for the ``crime'' of not sharing the same political beliefs of a thug like Mugabe.
I mean, really, I don't know how I can sleep at night.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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baks:
25 Jul 2008 3:10:57pm
If your concerns are genuine regarding African Zimbabweans then why not just sanction the whole of africa, then I can reason with you otherwise I think there is an ulterior motive to these attacks on mugabe.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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BJ:
26 Jul 2008 11:26:39am
Bob
It's a big assumption that the "old regime wants to change", as you put it.
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Bob:
25 Jul 2008 3:19:54pm
No one is justifying Mugabe's actions. He is a dictator and a tyrant, and Tsvangarai's motives for siding with the despot need to be questioned, however, if MUGABE is left alone in power, things will only get worse. At least with a 2nd official opinion on the power dynamic in Zimbabwe, the indigenous people there will have some power of negotiation in orchestrating change.
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henalf:
25 Jul 2008 3:31:25pm
The talk of Zimbabwe issuing banknotes of millions,just shows the insecurity of the banking system worldwide. One wonders what next country will issue practically useless banknotes? The gold standard of old, was at least some kind of check on finance. The world including Australia gave it away with glee. Lets hope it does not come back to haunt us!
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John:
25 Jul 2008 4:12:58pm
Thank you Peter for your courage which gets these messages out. Mugabe is a traitor to truth and has the brains to know it
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BJ:
25 Jul 2008 6:22:13pm
Mugabe is a firm believer in the one-party state, as he is a student of Marxism. There is no room for an 'opposition', after all in his eyes everyone should be grateful for his 'liberation' of the nation. Interesting how it refers to its own Cabinet as a 'politburo'.
A one-party state does not care how big the economic pie is, just that it controls 100% of it. Therefore a socialist dictatorship necessarily punishes itself economically to ensure opposition elements remain totally disenfranchised.
The history of Mugabe has shown that at every turn, moves towards talks with the opposition have always, without fail, been a prelude to a severe and violent crackdown on opposition supporters.
The nation is on the verge of economic collapse anyway. I'm guessing that the hyperinflationary policy of printing money was in response to an ever-shrinking tax base. This meant that even high level armed forces and civil servants weren't being paid anymore without it.
With prices doubling every twenty days and accelerating in growth, it's only a matter of time before civil chaos ensues so badly that not even the armed forces will be able to control it.
Is Zimbabwe another Somalia in the making with a failed central government and a breakdown of the nation proper into petty military and tribal fiefdoms ruled by the gun under local chieftains ??Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Bruce:
26 Jul 2008 1:22:05am
BJ, Mugabe is a dictator but his policies hardly reflect a dedication to Marxist ideology. Mugabe's Zanu PF represents an oppressive force that serves the maintenance of power above the interest of the people of Zimbabwe.
Mugabe projects himself as the Marxist Revolutionary who helped his people cast off the shackle of Colonialism at the point of a gun. So it is true that he fought as an African Revolutionary and aided, assisted and equipped a range of resistance movements across Africa, including Nelson Mandella's ANC.
Upon these facts rests his claim to an absolute right to rule beyond the desires of his people or the whims of political populism. Mugabe's act of maintaining political power at any cost has resulted in the loss of all political and moral credibility. The tragedy is that he has become what he set out to destroy, a vicious political force acting without restraint and without the consent of the governed.
I must tell you that I can't wait for the morally righteous western powers, those models of political, economic and humanitarian virtue, to aid and liberate the people of Zimbabwe as they have the people of Iraq. Won't the people of Zimbabwe be excited at the prospect???
Mugabe a Marxist? ".....a pig in a stable isn't a horse!"
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BJ:
26 Jul 2008 11:21:19am
Bruce
Here we go again hey - more unnecessary west bashing. Perhaps you would prefer to live in Zimbabwe as it must a moral exemplar ??
I would think the vast majority of Zimbabweans would not care where their next meal comes from, as long as they can get one (and the one after that and the one after that). There is little parallel to be drawn with Iraq here.
The real problem with Mugabe-style rulers is the enormous loss of human capital in the nation. Many educated people have fled already, and there is little knowledge remaining to function the nation.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Bruce:
27 Jul 2008 10:20:25am
BJ...your "Western Sovietoligist" style attack on Mugabe smacks of Macarthyism and is irrelevant in terms of the debate of Mugabe's current tyranny. If the west thinks itself enlightened enough to dictate the terms of preferred political ideals to be pursued by free men, then it can't discount itself from the analysis gig!
If you want regime change in Zimbabwe, so humanitarian causes may be served, then get ready for an Iraq style invasion and occupation on the Afrrcan continent because nothing shorter is going to deliver Mugabe from his current role as "Tyrant extrordinaire".
The west has shown itself pathetically ill equipped to deliver masses of humanity from the clutches of tyranny post WW2.
I encourage your combative rhetoric, even if it is ideologically driven as it represents your concern for the welfare of ordinary Zimbaweans. For the sake of practical outcomes lets agree that military intervention is the only means left to achieve the liberation of the people of Zimbabwe from the clutches of Mugabe's Zanu PF.
Note also that "Our" last effort at regime change, IRAQ, has resulted in a humanitarian disaster with more than 200,000 ordinary Iraqis killed, 1 million displaced and a nation stripped of its wealth and it's infrastructure destroyed. Hardly a monument to the success of "Might" imposed regime change and democracy.
The people of Zimbabwe must act in a revolutionary manner to overthrow the tyranny that is Mugabe and the west should be assisting in that effort. Anything more is simply an act of western benevolence and paternalism, the very colonial mindset that invited Mugabe to power.
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EP:
26 Jul 2008 8:14:11pm
What you have described is Marxism in practice. All successful Marxist movements end in dictatorship and mass murder.
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Jack:
25 Jul 2008 11:20:41pm
As history has shown us many times before, tyranny will fail eventually, but unfortunately it is the ordinary cictizen that suffers most. Lets hope this one falls quicker than most.
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BJ:
26 Jul 2008 11:22:17am
Jack
I don't hold out much hope for this. I suspect the real power base does not rest with an octogenarian despot but rather in the military brass of the politburo.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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SandyX:
26 Jul 2008 11:23:56am
I wonder if mugabe is suffering from an aging-related degenerative brain disease?
I remember a TV or radio series called something like 'Diseases that changed history' that examined the evidence of historical leaders suffering medical conditions that may have influenced their decisions and therefore the course of history.
While not having an intricate knowledge of Zimbabwe's history, I can see that this man was once a national hero and now is a murdering thug.
Now I know milliions suffer medical conditions and don't become murdering dictators, but is it possible this man has a disease (other than lust for power) that renders him unfit for office?Agree (0) Alert moderator
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EP:
26 Jul 2008 8:15:18pm
Mugabe was a murderous thug twenty years ago. His first act as President was to commit genocide against a dissident tribe.
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SandyX:
27 Jul 2008 10:40:50pm
I didn't know that. He is portrayed as some sort of past great leader.
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aletea:
26 Jul 2008 7:31:20pm
"If altruism s the motivation then we would have rolled into Cuba, Iran, North Korea decades ago."
Iran and North Korea at a considerable stretch, but what are we liberating the cubans from exactly? Free, first class healthcare? Yes, by all means, we should roll the tanks in to Cuba so these poor oppressed people can have a proper choice, as we do, between overpriced private health insurance and/or waiting till they die. Posters here are amusing as always with their brainwashed and skewed views of the world. Zimbabwe needs the UN. Unfortunately the US has wrecked the UN. It's a sad world.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Michael:
27 Jul 2008 5:45:28am
Mugabe is just a smart dole bludger. He knows how the system works and uses the knowledge to his advantage. His social security office is western aid agencies. He knows that people in the west feel pangs of guilt everytime they see a starving african child and that they make weekly salary deductions to feel better about doing something to help the world. The reality is that, in Zimbabwe, giving people enough calories to keep them alive probably stifles revolutionary intent. I suppose cutting off your arms and breasts in front of your family, as was reported to happen to one female MDC supporter pre presidential runoff, probably sitfles any remaining intent.
Imagine then for a moment that you are the UN buck stops here person in charge of what to do in Zimbabwe. Fortunately, you have a few choices like....
1. Wait for the senile old bugger to die and be replaced by the devil you might not know,
2. Agree with the people in this forum that say that revolution and deposition of Mugabe is imminent, or,
3. Go with the idea that any society is three meals away from revolution and cut off aid to speed the process.
Unfortunately, most of these options have some unpleasent drawbacks. While I'm not such a heartless bastard to condone starving the people of Zimabawe, or half of Africa for that matter, I do think that we need to examine how to stop aid inadvertently supporting the abuse of human rights. Any ideas????Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Zimbundy:
27 Jul 2008 9:19:49am
In shaking Mugabe's hand Morgan is not supid, it is strategic - no other tactic used to date has been recognised or accepted by Zimbabwe's neighbours in SADC or the larger community of the AU and Morgan and the MDC are not able to prevail alone. I admire MDC and Morgan's tenacity in challenging such an unashamedly corrupt and diabolical regime , but as the saying goes... keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
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rb:
27 Jul 2008 11:22:15am
The whole mess in Zimbabwe is simply racism in reverse. Any criticism from "white" governments are viewed as colonial interference in "African" problems.
Just think what the reaction (in Africa) would have been if Mugabe was a "white" tyrant.
The reaction to the millions of starving Zimbabweans from African leaders (South African in particular) has been nothing short of disgraceful.
And the Russian and Chinese veto in the UN simply reinforced the view that these two countries will do anything to protect their interests, no matter how brutal their client regimes are.
Mugabe should have been arrested during his latest trip to Europe and put on trial for committing genocide against his countrymen and women.Agree (0) Alert moderator