Migration scheme won't solve Pacific's problems
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It wouldn't be polite to say so at the Forum meeting in Niue this week, but there is trouble brewing in the South Pacific. Conflict in the Solomon Islands, coups in Fiji, murders by raskol gangs in Papua New Guinea, and the burning of Chinatown in Nukualofa in Tonga suggest an 'arc of instability' right at our doorstep.
At the heart of the region's civil strife is the unemployment and underemployment of men. Lots of them. There are more than two million underemployed and unemployed men in the Pacific as a whole. More than 100,000 join the labour force each year. Most do not have any hope of earning an income or having a job in their lifetime.
Men well into middle age can be seen languishing, openly unemployed, on the streets of the region's capital cities or underemployed in rural villages. They make ready recruits for the criminal gangs that help Port Moresby compete with Port-au-Prince and Nairobi for the most violent towns in the world.
The region certainly presents a bleak picture, but it isn't all bad. Look a little more closely and there appear to be two groups of countries in the Pacific.
One group of islands has managed to grow modestly over the last 30 years and provide decent levels of education, healthcare and living standards for their population. They include Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, New Caledonia and French Polynesia among others. Population growth in these islands has slowed as they have become wealthier and good education outcomes mean they can travel abroad for further opportunities.
A second group of countries, however, has stagnated at best and in some cases, become poorer. In Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands and Vanuatu, population growth has been exceeding economic growth for much of the last 30 years. In Fiji, coup after coup has damaged what was once the most prosperous country in the region.
What is most important is that this second group of low income, high population growth countries account for about 80 per cent of the Pacific population. It will be in these countries that the future stability and prosperity will be decided. And on current trends, that path looks shaky.
As if acknowledging that very fact, the Australian Government has just announced that guest workers from the Pacific will be allowed temporary work as fruit pickers in regional Australia. The scheme has been widely applauded by the Nation Farmers Federation, by the World Bank, and loudest of all, by Pacific governments themselves, who see it as a way of releasing some of the building employment pressures at home.
The scale of the labour market problems in the Pacific, however, suggest that unless a million or more guest workers were invited to participate, migration will fail to make any inroads into the problem. The only way to make the Pacific stable and prosperous is to pursue economic growth. Migration is not development.
The guest worker scheme will undoubtedly benefit those Pacific Islanders lucky enough to qualify for the initial program. The danger is that the warm glow that has accompanied the announcement of the scheme will serve to endorse the Pacific leaders unwillingness to take the steps that would provide significant farming incomes and jobs in the Pacific.
The bulk of the region's unemployment is concentrated in the larger states that cannot argue that they lack economies of scale for growth.
During the past 30 years Botswana, a small, landlocked African country has outpaced Papua New Guinea. Mauritius, about the same size as Fiji, with much the same starting endowment of a sugar industry, has become a labour short economy. Iceland, which is the same size as the Solomon Islands, is poorly located in the cold North Atlantic with short growing seasons and barren agricultural lands. But it has become one of the highest income industrialised countries anywhere.
Fate does not doom the Pacific to poor standards of living. Bad policy by corrupt, incompetent elites does.
The Pacific can only avoid looming economic, social, and political crises if its large economies dramatically reform their policies to encourage substantial employment creating growth. Otherwise, it will only be a matter of time before the growing army of unemployed and underemployed turns from restless to violent.
Gaurav Sodhi is an economist at the Centre for Independent Studies. He and Helen Hughes have written a report on the Pacific islands titled The Bipolar Pacific.
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dragon:
21 Aug 2008 9:02:49am
"Fate does not doom the Pacific to poor standards of living. Bad policy by corrupt, incompetent elites does."
This was, is and always will be the case in any country where the upper echelon of power is not democratically elected by the population on a regular basis !
Head honchos placed in power by business or military cronies will always be succeptible to bribes and coersion.
Educate the people on the basic levels of government, economics and family planning, but please don't look to adding 2 million unemployed to the strained Australian infrastructure !Agree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 9:29:25am
Democracy is the real gift of British exploration and colonialism. Lets not forget however that the Westminster system only started becuase of the desire of a benevolent dictator/king. Without this benevolence, power comes from the barrrel of a rifle or blade of a machete.
Any efforts to create real democracy and fairness needs to start at both the top and the bottom. Just focussing on the bottom gets people killed.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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James Mason:
21 Aug 2008 12:32:08pm
"Democracy is the real gift of British exploration and colonialism." Were events like the Amritsar massacre in India meant as a gift too?
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dragon:
21 Aug 2008 1:02:50pm
Until someone can devise a better system, 'democracy' has no peers.
Quoting exceptional incidences from history doesn't really bolster a case where democracy has seen overwhelming success.Agree (1) Alert moderator
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Juno:
21 Aug 2008 1:55:45pm
I find myself agreeing with Dragon, how bizarre ;)
But yes, as much as people bag democracy, one need only look at the non-democratic nations of the world and shudder at the alternative.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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James Mason:
21 Aug 2008 2:24:01pm
My response to Dragon was blocked by the ABC. Seems the censorship policies of the Howard government are still being applied by the ABC, despite the change of government in Canberra. Should ask the Minister about that.
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Spank:
21 Aug 2008 3:24:28pm
Could not agree more. Imagine if the resource used to impliment this scheme was used to educate as Dragon mentioned. Give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach him how to fish......
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chalkie:
21 Aug 2008 1:09:06pm
Tellingly, this actually hastened democratic self-rule in India. The infrastructure was in place for this to happen.
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mac:
21 Aug 2008 1:40:27pm
The scheme is not meant to be the Pacific Solution but a means to find some labour for picking fruit. Mr Nelson's concerns about health and security "and will the go back" surely can be handled the same way as we do with tourists now.
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 9:08:01am
Provided they are allowed to send their wages back, then the development of a pool of persons whom see work as a means to a better life should be beneficial to these nations.
To allow them to do so tax free would appear to be an excellent way to provide "aid" and contribute to stability on our doorstep.
Good governance once they get home is a different matter altogether. Maybe some of the workers should be "interns" who are trained and mentored in good governance. These people can become leaders at home.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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what the:
21 Aug 2008 12:03:21pm
Whole-heartedly agree. Better to provide people with the facility to earn money and contribute back to their community than just to send aid which will inevitably be siphoned off to military spending, etc.
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chalkie:
21 Aug 2008 1:04:13pm
Nonsense: these islands are chiefdoms (at least at local level) and power resides in often heriditary strongmen. The political problems of PNG and Fiji relate directly to power residing n 'traditional' power structures, seperate from democratic processes. One Tok will bedevil any possibility for reform: in fact, it will entrench this as the local heavies get their kids / relations into Australia.
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John Michaels:
21 Aug 2008 1:43:05pm
That's absolutely right. How does Australia determine who will be allowed to come? Will there be a basic literacy level test? Or will it be the powers that already exist in these countries choosing their cousins to go earn Australian money and boost their own economic power and status back home. It really should be for those who can learn how to farm, not learn how to pick fruit and vegetables.
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Mike:
21 Aug 2008 3:53:02pm
Such generalisations, the "big men" of Papua are not omnipotent rulers, the council of chiefs in Fiji is not a democracy and there are islands in the Pacific that have no formal power structure or bureacracy but they manage to get things done!
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Bullfrog:
21 Aug 2008 9:16:36am
From what I can tell, the benefits to Pacific Islands are of secondary concern. The primary benefit is to Australian farmers, who need people to pick the produce.
I'm not sure what Australia can do to 'fix' the Pacific Islands - anything to overt is colonialism. Tying our funding to specific requirements seems like the only real lever Australia has.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 3:52:56pm
"Anything too overt is colonialism". OK, lets do nothing. Let the islands stay as they are and the fruit fall on the ground.
Or if we do something, lets do it in a non-overt way so we can subvert their government as it currently exists.
The trouble with dogma is that it is always at one or other of the extremes. Aussies in general are known for being practical and pragmatic.
So, if we do want to do something - what? Then focus on how, with the view to meeting all of the objectives.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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thelonenut:
21 Aug 2008 9:33:23am
I agree wholeheartedly with The Dragon - however, he / she does not go far enough.
In my opinion this applies to just about every country in the world, wether "democratic" elections are held or not.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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whitelephant:
21 Aug 2008 10:18:42am
Mike-I strongly suggest you apply for the job of prime minister. Your succinct and brilliant analytical skills leave me breathless with admiration!
Rarely have I seen such intellectual clarity allied with a social compassion unequalled in the ABC opinion column.
Please let us have more of your carefull and considered analysis-it makes my day.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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daveC:
21 Aug 2008 11:30:20am
white elephant, here here with what Mike had on here earlier maybe we should elect him for PM seeing as he was "all knowing".... mind you he didnt take into account that we are about to get our first interest rate cut in 2 years... he didnt take into account that Rudd only just took responsiblity for the country from Liberals 12 years of neglect to the Australian People
Rudd really is asleep at the wheel (note the sarcasm there) i'm starting to grow tired of these Rudd bashers when they are the ones wearing the blinkers taking Liberals words as gospel
I say if Labor want to help our neighbours and let them in for "seasonal" work then kudos to them!, like the saying goes you can lead a horse to water..... you can lead an unemployed person to work on a farm but you can't make them work if they dont want to... get the Islanders in that want to work to help their families back home, we get money from exports, our neighbours become richer by the workers we've let in sending money home, it can't hurt when they pay taxes to our govt to send money home, i think its better than just sending them "aid" in the way of $millions from us tax payers like the Libs use to doAgree (0) Alert moderator
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Swansea Boy:
21 Aug 2008 10:36:46am
Whilst this move by Rudd may bring some problems, at least is is action rather than just talk.
Can't remember that wannabe farmer Howard ever doing anything to solve this well documented, long term labour shortage for the fruit farmers. Using backpackers was naive as once they had saved enough to move onto the next party town they shot through regardless of "staying the course until the jobs done".
The UK's fruit crops have been picked by workers from Eastern Europe for several years and long term relationships between the farmers and certain villages have benefited all. A signigicant percentage of the GDP of countries like the Phillipines, Albania, Ireland have come from the repatriated wages of citizens working overseas as guest workers. It may not be palatable but it is one solution to the problem. Would you want your nursing aid to be a disgruntled local who was forced into the job under the threat of loosing unemployment benefit?
OK, this scheme may not work. A few might commit crimes. A percentage may overstay their visas.However, lets give it a go and rest assured that many Pacific Islanders will jump at the opportunity for the cash to support their families.
It is totally unrealistic to expect Australian unemployed workers to move to the farms to work for several months at a time. It might embolden a few to say that their benefits should be cut if they turn down the work but then they'll end up getting benefits through another route and the farmers will have press-ganged workers who are unlikely to actually do any work.
Australia needs to open its eyes to the rest of the world an not just sit here as the 'lucky country' and ignore the poverty surrounding it. Go visit PNG, our nearest neighbour and see the poverty on the streets of Port Moresby.
(Mike, good to see the ugly Australian is alive, well and as bigoted and ignorant as ever.)Agree (0) Alert moderator
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GDH:
21 Aug 2008 11:35:44am
A rather poorly put together article which missed one of the key elements of its argument.
If as the author's are suggesting, the key problem for some of the Pacific countries is corruption and ineptitude of the leadership of many of the countries, the exposure by Pacific Islanders to the Australia way of doing things during their time here could actually bring about some of the change that they see as necessary.
There are many examples where such programs have not only offered people in developing countries the chance to generate savings to support their families, but shown these people how they might be able to tranform their families and communities using some of the skills that they have developed during their time in another countries, through developing small businesses etc.
A properly managed program that doesn't get out of hand (like the 457 visa exercise seems to have) could have huge, very positive impacts on communities in the Pacific, as well as get horitcultural produce picked and sent to market.
With regard to local workers, from what I have read, the jobs are there for anyone who wants them, and even with a modest number of Pacific islanders coming in, there will still be jobs going begging.
This is a situation where we can have both!Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Greg h:
21 Aug 2008 11:46:23am
The aim of importing those workers is to keep wages low in the unskilled sector.
There is nothing wrong in Australia taking advantage of low cost labor in the neighbouring countries.
Why not extend the scheme to other sectors of the economy like construction, hospitality etc.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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GDH:
21 Aug 2008 12:24:23pm
Wrong again Greg H.
If importing workers keeps wages low, why are Philippino welders getting $100,000 a year in the Kimberley, and North Qld?
In the horticultural sector, workers are being paid award based wages, and this scheme is expressly based on paying these imported workers the going rate. Perhaps if your mate John Howard had enbraced the idea, then they would have been more interested in cutting wages than picking the fruit.
I am sure there will be some farmers who would be delighted to recreate "The Grapes of Wrath" outside their packing shed, but most of them want to get their fruit off the trees and into market where they can get a return on their investment.
The trouble with the previous government was that they were too busy fighting an ideological battle in industrial relations to care about the casualties among workers and small business people.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Felix:
21 Aug 2008 12:40:01pm
Because welding is a skill developed over time. How long is the apprenticeship to qualify you to pick fruit?
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Greg h:
21 Aug 2008 12:43:18pm
You dont seem to understand.
Welders are not considered a unskilled profession but fruit pickers are unskilled.
The role of importing labor in such professions is to keep wages down in the unskilled sector of the economy.
Why dont we do the same in Construction or hospitality, that requires minimum skills.
If this Labor is serious about, it can extend the scheme to all sectors of the economy, but then unions will squeel about it.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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GDH:
21 Aug 2008 12:53:12pm
You've obviously never picked fruit. You might not need a diploma to do it, but there are certainly skilled fruitpickers who can pick double or triple the amount that a backpaker or gray nomad can do in a day.
That is what farmers are looking for, people who will stick around for the whole harvest , not for a couple of days.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Greg h:
21 Aug 2008 2:19:33pm
Fruit picking is not a skilled profession requiring any kind of technical education like Welding does.
While there are skilled fruit pickers, it does not make them skilled professionals.
You have not answered the question.
Why not extend the scheme to other sectors like hospitality, construction etc which are in desperate need of low skilled workers.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Jeff N:
21 Aug 2008 1:07:27pm
Greg H is on the money.
Fruit farmers would get workers if they payed a competitive wage.
Hospitality and construction can't get a special overseas workers program to help them.
Another case of farmers getting special treatment.
And on one hand govt is trying to save the Murray-Darling, on the other it brings in a program to subsidise continued excessive water use.
So, farmers are getting cheap water and cheap labor, but they'll keep whingeing.
Dumb idea at best, buying votes with water at worst.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Greg:
21 Aug 2008 1:20:23pm
It not about low wages, its about having authority to direct people to actually go to a remote location and do a job.
This is a result of not being able to force Australian un-employed to get up out of the cities and go do the job.
So we have to go scrape them up from a few desperate pacific islands instead.
As to welding in the Kimberley, all such work pays mega dollars above what any body else can get in the major cities, just to get them to go out there. There is also a corresponding multi-mega return for those companies from all the iron ore they sell.
Now if farmers could get paid 10 bucks an apple by all the people living in the cities, I am sure they would be only too happy to pay mega dollars for fruit pickers.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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John Michaels:
21 Aug 2008 1:49:02pm
Part of the problem of your argument is the fact that over the last 20 years farms have been increasingly pushed to the middle of nowhere where labour has been difficult to attract and retain. This is a guest worker program which means that any person in the program would be eligible for a certain amount of time before they go home. Call it an exchangeable labour program with no training if you like however there are no skills being taught to these people, just pick the fruit laddy.
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bazza of the nt:
21 Aug 2008 11:41:29am
The five well off Pacific nations listed in the article are: Tonga, Samoa, Cook Islands, New Caledonia and French Polynesia.
But the citizens of the Cook Islands are citizens of New Zealand so any one of them can get on a plane and go to either NZ or Australia to get a job. Citizens of New Caledonia and French Polynesia are French citizens and any one of them can get on a plane and go to any EC country and get a job. Samoa has a very advantageous immigration agreement with NZ which sees many of its citizens living and working in NZ. Only Tonga has a classical "Pacific economy".
Thus four of these five listed countries should be left out of the analysis.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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John Michaels:
21 Aug 2008 1:52:21pm
Certainly true, plus the French have long used New Cal and Polynesia as the playground for the rich. A lot of the productive "exotic" fruit farms are white owned and operated and they have a ready market in France/Europe to sell their products plus control over domestic supply.
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Ian:
21 Aug 2008 12:49:31pm
So the idea is to promote development and provide jobs. In what industiries exactly? Ones that are sustainable both economically and environmentally? And ones thta don't contribute to GHG emission? They are unlikely to start manufacturing cars are they? What will they do to employ such large numbers? No, tourism isn't enough.
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sally:
21 Aug 2008 1:20:31pm
PNG has enough mineral resources to create enormous wealth for it's citizens. The logistics are complex, the environmental issues profound. However, it can be done. But they need to be helped along the way at every level. The problem is no-one cares about PNG, not the mining companies, not the Australian Government and certianly not other more advanced Asian countries. It's a very sad situation that we ought to understand better than we do and which, when the facts are revealed, will make each of very ashamed of how little we have done to help these people fo forward. We don't do well with people in our region, and dare I say it, even in our own country, whose skin is darker than white.
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John Michaels:
21 Aug 2008 1:54:30pm
Yes that's right. Let's cut down the lungs of the Earth to dig up gold, copper, zinc, and silver so that a few people at the top can get mega rich and we can watch the slow trickle down of funds into the poorer communities. Just have a look at the history of mining in PNG and tell me again if it can be done.
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Bertrand:
21 Aug 2008 3:08:34pm
PNG was relatively wealthy 40 years ago, with rising educational standards, decent health care and a competent public service. This changed when Australia stopped administering it.
If we wanted to fix it we could. We would just have to administer it again.
Of course this is imperialism though, so we people will whinge and scream, even though it is the only alternative.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 4:19:50pm
Yep, we have reached a point where every agenda collides and every special interest group will be at odd with something or other.
They only way to progress anything is a pragmatic, systems approach. No one agenda can or will win. While special interest groups continue to push their narrow agendas and frighten the pollies, then they ensure that NOTHING gets done and no situation can be improved.
The road to the destination will not be straight A to Z. We will need to ensure that we make continual, gradual progress in the general direction of the objectives. Narrow agendas just keep us stalled at the cross roads.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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sally:
21 Aug 2008 1:11:01pm
PNG and a whole swag of pacific islands all suffer from a late entry into the modern world as we know it. Keep in mind it wasn't until around the 1920's that Mick Lae walked into the highlands of PNG as the first white man ever to meet the locals. They have a strong 'one-talk' system wherein their first and strongest loyalty belongs to the home village. It's no wonder therefore that when the 'big men' get elected to power in Port Moresby, they see their first duty as grabbing as much money as they can get their hands on and feeding it back home to the 'one-talks'. The church may have succeeded in brain washing thousands of the local people over the years, but the country hardly runs according to Christian principles.
These countries have a long, long way to go before they can ever hope to grow and compete in a global economy. It's a real pity in the case of PNG that Whitlam and his gang dumped PNG in 1974 and that the current government is also falling for the charm of current Prime Minister Somare, someone who will never take PNG forward. What we should be doing is helping these nations build their economies in a positive, progressive way under a long term nation building program. In fact, the reverse is happening and on my most recent visit to PNG, I judged the country as having slipped back another ten years, in terms of the state of its civil infrastructure, a true measure of a countries prosperity.
It appears we are more intererested in trickling a few dollars their way each year in an effort the keep them relatively settled and to allow us to keep a watch on the so called security and stability of the region. A pretty pathetic approach in my view. Let's see if we have anyone in this country with the courage, the vision and quite frankly, the balls to stand up and tackle the real issues in the region. I doubt it will happen for a while yet.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Pete:
21 Aug 2008 5:01:03pm
"It appears we are more intererested in trickling a few dollars their way each year in an effort the keep them relatively settled....."
Very good point Sally. As long term expat in PNG I am constantly astounded by numerous so called "aid' people driving around in flash four wheel drives, attending important meetings and giving advice. They write numerous reports that go to their masters in Australia, European Union etc etc.
But very few of the projects implemented provide meaningful, long term benefits or employment opportunities to the local people.
On the other hand the people can also be their own worst enemies, particularly with the wantok mentality, that constantly sees the ones that do want to work and improve their lot being dragged back down by constant demands for money.
As you say many of these people only saw white men for the first time as little as 70 years ago and it will take many years/ generations for them to grow and compete in a global economy.
Asd you say any aid provided should be by way of long term nation building programs rather than what appears to me to be numerous one off, ad hoc programs that have no long term benefit.
Getting people in to pick fruit on a seasonal basis is not going to do anything to resolve the long term development issues facing these countries. But I guess it will make some people feel all warm and fuzzy and as if they are doing something.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Emma:
21 Aug 2008 1:14:58pm
Some governments and the World Bank have seized upon the idea that labour migration can solve underdevelopment. It appears to be a good news story - people earn money of their own initiative and send back remittances instead of taking hand-outs of foreign aid.
However, on closer examination the situation is far more complex than that and few countries have become magically 'developed' through such schemes. In fact, guest worker programs can relieve bad governments of the pressure to act to improve their economies and labour market conditions.
The Philippines is a case in point - a country with the highest levels of outmigration of any country in the world. Despite decades of government-supported labour migration, the Philippines continues to be a developing country - in fact it has regressed over the decades. Remittances - if they are invested at all - go toward the education of children into professions that will enable them to out-migrate - a perpetual brain-drain cycle has been created. Few people from developing countries earn enough as unskilled guest workers to be able to invest their remittances in sustainable enterprises in their country of origin, most go toward household subsistence and paying for surrogate carers of children and Western Union makes a tidy profit from whatever is left.
I am not against guest worker programs per se, but after detailed research into migration, development and remittances agree entirely with the author that they are not the magic bullet answer some suggest they are for endemically poor and corrupt pacific island states.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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John Michaels:
21 Aug 2008 1:38:37pm
Is Gourav suggesting that Australia take 1 million labourers to work on farms? I don't see anywhere that the guest workers will be able to gain education in farming practices that will be taken back to their own countries that would then increase agricultural production and in turn make them wealthier. This essay seems a little bit all over the shop with no real concrete ideas or solutions. What I do see is that the writer believes that at least 1 million un/underemployed males need to be relocated to prevent violent unrest and stabilise our Northern neighbours.
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Esscargo:
21 Aug 2008 1:43:58pm
I think the core issue here is corruption in these countries. Australia giving a few islanders a few weeks work cherry picking isnt going to solve these fundamental issues. It really isnt Australias place to be doing this. We have some serious employment issues here as it is.
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victoria:
21 Aug 2008 2:33:47pm
Corruption is only one fraction of the problem. The biggest problem is the structure of their economies. The typical Pacific isalnd economy is a MIRAB economy - migration/remittances, aid & bureaucracy. Tourism brings as many problems as benefits, and those are now starting to manifest in health and social data.
Unless an island has huge supplies of a highly sought commodity (like superphosphate in Nauru) there is no easy path to affluence, despite the best intentions of all concerned.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 3:59:04pm
Snail, the serious employment issues we have right now are what exactly?
We have record employment. Basically anyone who wants a job has got one. If someone really want's one and can't get anything, maybe they are just umemployable.
No one wants to pick the fruit (ie take the job).
I am sorry we haven't yet got to the point where you can earn a multi million $ salary for fruit picking.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Jason H:
21 Aug 2008 2:34:28pm
Teach them Permaculture farming methods while they are here picking fruit and revegetating forests so that when they return to their country they can help establish sustainable farming techniques without the use of fossil fuel based fertilizers. Coffee trees can be grown under rainforest.
Look for oppurtunities for sustainable products and industry. bamboo and coconuts are sustainable and have a varity of uses. Coconut oil is highly nutrious and does not break down when heated. Australia should be importing lots of this and eliminating deadly GM oils containing trans fats like canola and hydrogenated fats which will be banned in California soon.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Wendy Bunce:
21 Aug 2008 3:06:30pm
The idea of importing more people into Australia is very silly & also very, very risky. Not only because of the elevated risk of knowingly increasing the spread of diseases like deadly bird flu & tuberculosis & hepatitis into our very vulnerable population & into our industries, but it is certainly not helping the people of our own country, first. For far too long stupid, short sighted governments have literally done exactly the opposite of what basic good common sense would do. And this once prosperous sustainable country is still being allowed to be abused & used up & sold off to the biggest, wealthy money makers, most of whom, seemingly, have to account to nobody whatsoever. When leadership fails, nothing can save the people or the land.
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 4:06:50pm
Wendy, it is a well known fact that as affluence increases, birth rates decline.
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Celia:
21 Aug 2008 5:43:55pm
Thanks for the warning Wendy. I trust Australian tourists will avoid all places having the risk of deadly diseases that could harm our 'very vulnerable population'. Indeed, should people go anywhere given the dangers? I'd forgotten about this in my enthusiasm for combining farmer's needs and the needs of some Pacific neighbours. Silly me, I thought Australia was going to become more welcoming at last and social justice attempted. Don't worry, with the climate change many of these islands will disappear and you can feel safer in our prosperous and uncaring society. How is letting fruit rot on the ground rather than having visitors come and work for a short time, common sense?
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henalf:
21 Aug 2008 3:33:48pm
These Pacific Islands are just another example of over population.The same problem World Wide. However our various wold leaders,prefer to keep their religous heads in the sand.and do nothing. Is there any influential voice out there,to do anything about it?
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MO:
21 Aug 2008 4:10:47pm
Henalf, got any kids or plan to have any?
If yes to either question, then mate, you are a hypocrite.
Species survival is driven by the urge to procreate. Why do you think sex is fun and satisfying. Any species given circumstances will breed to a point wher it endangers its long term future.
Balance is the key. Its called an ecosystem. Our species is part of it, but i don't think you will convince anyone to go back to their caves and live a celibate life. Genocide appears to be out these days as well. Rat's, looks like we will have to do this the hard way and manage it.Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Pun:
21 Aug 2008 4:34:05pm
"overpopulation" hasn't been a 'problem'in the South Pacific since the early 19th century when their populations were decimated by measles and other introduced diseases. Most of what I've read in these comments has been an echo of the old irrational xenophobias.BTW why hasn't any attention been drawn to other temporary work contracts in ohter industries and professions.No one seems to have mentioned the freedom of movement granted to those sectors of the global population and the restrictions placed on others, nor does any concern seem to have reserved for trafficking in persons in Australia in other industries.Why the focus on the Pacific? How many Europeans have overstayed visas for long periods without eliciting the scaremongering and slander of Pacific peoples and the downright misinformation campaign ( for political purposes I suspect) of this particular group.
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Aussie Away:
21 Aug 2008 4:43:54pm
Really people get a life, who cares about what side of politics you come from or support. We have a chance here to build some positive outcomes for all involved, farmers, Pacific Islanders, Australia. We are well off in Australia, so much more than most contries in the world, I'm working overseas at the moment in a country that is being built by imported workers, and guess what it works. The country is going gangbusters and the workers and their families are so much better because of it.
Eg: I have a friend here, he gets paid a terrible wage to what i consider fair, and still he alone suports himself, his wife, he is puting two kids through Uni and is suporting two houses for himself and his wife here and his kids in Uni in his home country.
He is happy just to be able to do that!
Yes i know that there will be people that will oppose this, but how about this, lets stop arguing about things we don't know yet and just give it a go.
From what i have seen here it will only be a good thing for Australia!Agree (0) Alert moderator
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Rob:
21 Aug 2008 5:09:17pm
All that bringing these islander people into this country is going to do is increase the crime rate and cause headaches when trying to get them to go home.
You might not agree with me and that is your right, but it's my right also to hold an opinion, popular or not.
Remember what I have said and watch it happen....Oh I forgot you will probably blame Howard for it going wrong like you do everything else.Agree (0) Alert moderator