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Wasting our tax dollars on symbolism

By Sinclair Davidson

Posted August 22, 2008 08:23:00
Updated August 22, 2008 09:26:00

The government should consider totally abolishing the import tariff on cars and the luxury car tax.

The government should consider totally abolishing the import tariff on cars and the luxury car tax. (AFP: William West)

Australian policy makers have an obsession with motor cars. Australia, they say, should not only 'make things' - as Kevin Rudd so simply put it during the election campaign - but they should specifically make automobiles.

But Australia isn't very good at making cars. Consider the evidence. The Bracks Review into government assistance for the automotive industry indicated that the average fault per vehicle for Australian manufactured cars was well above the appropriate benchmark. Furthermore, the proportion of domestic manufactured cars in the Australian fleet has declined over time.

But rather than face reality and allow the local automotive industry to survive or fail according to the dictates of the competitive market, the government is proposing more industry policy.

Industry policy has an entirely disreputable history with an appalling track record of failure - it is amazing that politicians still think they can get away with proposing these sorts of winner picking ideas. In essence it constitutes a supply side conspiracy of government and industry in order to collude against consumers. As Adam Smith warned, "to narrow the competition must always be against [the public interest], and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens".

'New style' industry policy

The failure of old-style industry policy is plain to see. Governments have rightly shifted their tack a little - we now have "new style" industry policy. Here the government proposes building a culture of innovation, focussing incentives, and accelerating the take-up of new technology. Rather than imposing tariffs and quotas or throwing money at specific products, government now throws money at research and development (R&D). This is widely accepted as being appropriate expenditure of public money.

Certainly, standard economic theory suggests that markets will undersupply basic R&D and the market economy will be less innovative than is socially optimal. Government, by subsidising basic R&D, can correct for that 'market failure'. This is especially the case in environmental issues. Here, apparently, there is a double market failure. The Stern Report makes the argument that the "climate is a public good" and as in the case of basic R&D the market does not ensure the optimal allocation of consumption and investment in climate. Solutions to climate change involve a substantial investment in R&D and so government can correct a double market failure by investing in green technology such as the green car.

At face value that is a plausible argument. Unfortunately, it does not stand up to close scrutiny. The climate is not a public good despite having the characteristics of public goods - it is both non-rivalous and non-excludable. The climate is not produced in a market, it is not bought and sold in a market, nor can government subsidise the production of the climate. The first component of the double market failure is simply not correct.

The second part of the story is also problematic. The benefits of publicly funded R&D are remarkably difficult to pin down. Even the Productivity Commission has failed to find a clear relationship between R&D and productivity. In 2003 the OECD published an official report into The Sources of Economic Growth in OECD Countries, and as part of that analysis, the OECD disaggregate R&D into a private and public component. As expected there is a positive relationship between overall R&D and economic growth, and also between private R&D and economic growth. In contrast there was a negative relationship between publicly funded R&D and economic growth. In other words, it is not at clear that government should be financing or subsidising R&D.

Importing green cars

Looking specifically at the Green Car fund, additional problems arise. Australian political elites and large sections of the population have a low tolerance for wealth and income inequality. As the late Nobel Laureate Friedrich Hayek explained, new products and services are often expensive and initially are viewed as luxuries for the rich. Over time, the prices of these goods fall and the less affluent can access them. Before new products can brought to the market, however, there needs to be sufficient individuals with sufficient disposable income to buy them. Australia's brutally progressive tax system substantially reduces the disposable income that may be spent on new luxury goods. All this means that there are fewer profitable opportunities for Australian firms to trial new products at home before exporting them.

In short, Australia is very unlikely to efficiently develop a viable green car - the domestic market is simply too small. There are, however, a number of overseas markets where such a viable vehicle could be developed - the European Union or the United States are obvious contenders. Rather than waste Australian tax dollars on a symbolic gesture, those Australians who would buy such a vehicle should simply import them from abroad. To ensure the take-up of such vehicles the government should consider totally abolishing the import tariff on cars and, of course, the luxury car tax - these vehicles are unlikely to be cheap.

Sinclair Davidson is a professor in the School of Economics, Finance and Marketing at RMIT University and a senior fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs.

Tags: business-economics-and-finance, industry, automotive, manufacturing, government-and-politics, federal-government, australia

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  • Dave R:

    22 Aug 2008 9:05:41am

    Another expert with no idea.
    There is plenty of scope for Australia to develop autos powered by renewable energy for Australian conditions.
    If the vehicle is good enough to make people switch then there would be a huge market for it in Australia.
    That is a lot better than adding to our import bill bringing in cars that are not built to Australian requirements.
    Dave R

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      • ravensclaw:

        22 Aug 2008 9:36:06am

        Dave

        Now that was worthy of a Darwin Award.

        Solar technology for vehicles has been around for a long time. Cars just can't get enough energy from this technology.

        Is wind an option? Nope, nor is biomass.

        In fact gas looks like the best option, but it is not renewable.

        Please remember in addition to needing to be able to reliably power a car it needs to be available for the masses.

        Cheers

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          • Ben:

            22 Aug 2008 10:22:40am

            Not exactly true ravensclaw, electric cars may need recharging but if their power is produced via an industry that uses renewables (solar, wind or thermal) then the car truely is green also (just not true when we are using coal or gas to produce or power).

            Yes solar may not be able to power an entire vehicle, but it may be able to power one of the ancillaries (such as air-conditioning which is driven off the engine currently). This all does add up in consuming less oil (however the technology needs to make it to the market first).

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 10:58:00am

                Ben and Bertland

                How so??? And note you are also angling the argument away from what I was commenting on, and Dave's intent for that matter.

                The battery powers the car!

                Batteries are consumables even if they are rechargable. Often (if not always) they are very toxic and require regulated disposal.

                Wind and solar are not suitable for baseload power, nor are they abundant or even used on our power grid. So how could they be used in such a fashion.

                I could see how a nuclear power station, a coal power station, a hydro dam, a gas plant etc could regularly recharge a car battery (even at night, on cloudy days or during frequent windless periods).

                I am also not sure if solar is good enough for air conditioning, but I would agree it could be useful to SUPPLEMENT a car battery for air conditioning, lights, stereo etc.

                I have seen cars run on biomass quite well. However there is no where near enough biomass energy to run even a 100th of our auto industry.

                Sorry but Dave's comments were silly and I see failures of our education system concerning logical and critical thinking.

                You can take some kudos for monotone activism however.

                Cheers

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              • Ben:

                22 Aug 2008 12:12:23pm

                Hi ravensclaw,

                Disposal of anything in a car is difficult (including things like refrigerant, lead/acid batteries, etc.), it is just something that needs to be thought through (see Bullfrogs arguement below re mobile phone batteries).

                Yes most non-renewables are hard to achieve base load power (I believe research shows that combinations such as solar-hydro may work). I note you didn't touch thermal (such as hot rocks), which may be a very good alternative for Australia.

                Also I believe the next Prius is actually rumoured to have a solar panel (on top end models) to power it's air-conditioning (so it may be soon be fact not fiction). See http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/07/2296277.htm.

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 12:31:16pm

                Ben

                I am also aware of some hybrid renewables i.e. solar hydro? This is perhaps the only solar option I know that solves the reliability issue.

                However why build 2 power stations when you should only need one. Also the 3 that have been commercially built worldwide are all in desert areas. Now I know most of Australia is desert, but that is not where most Australians live.

                I see geothermal having possibilities and said so in an ABC news article a couple of days ago. It is immature industry now but I am willing to put my tax dollars to see it improve.

                I have no problem with putting a solar panel on the roof of a car. Is the solar in question directly feeding the air conditioning or is it supplementing the car battery? Supplementing the batrtery would make more sense as it could also do that when the airconditioning is turned off.

                I do think it would be silly to try and power a car with solar. You wouldn't get very far.

                Cheers

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              • Odge:

                22 Aug 2008 12:46:11pm

                Electricity is electricity whether its produced by wind, solar, tidal, hotrocks, hydro, or coal. It comes out of a plug on the wall. Don't tell us there is a shortage of sun or wind. Hydro, maybe.

                I currently pay the electricity company extra to source 100% the equivalent electricity that I use in my house from renewables. I would continue this if I was charging my car.

                We may not be able to power everything from renewables, but we don't have to. Just using as much renewables as we can for day to day living would make a big difference. Then, ensuring that industry was operating as efficiently as possible can help the rest. The problem is, we've set up this system based on limitless dirty coal.

                Batteries can be recycled.

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 1:26:50pm

                Batteries can be recycled - True, at least for parts of batteries

                Electricity is electricity - True but we need reliable electricity for our baseload needs.

                Wind shortages occur frequently. Solar is useless at night and crippled from cloudcover. You can never safely assume that if it is cloudy in Victoria it will be sunny in WA or Queensland.

                There is little or no room for solar panels on high density housing, commercial or industrial centres whcih is a major problem for cities and large towns.

                Windmills and solar panels need a lot of space for little energy. Powerstations require little space to produce energy.

                Hydro is the cleanest form of renewable energy there is (over its lifecycle) and it is reliable (provided a river is not overdammed).

                The actual problem is ideological opposition to sensible changes to our baseload energy sources, and ideological encouragement of the poorest options.

                Electricity is a little more complex than plugging your laptop into a powerpoint.

                Cheers

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              • Stine:

                22 Aug 2008 1:47:28pm

                In india they are near rolling out a production car run on compressed air, not very resource intensive is it? the only thing then you have to clean up is the power stations to provide the electricity to power the compressor. Eliminating petrol stations, petrol tankers etc. etc. and a compressed air tank has a much longer life than any solar panel etc. and no logistical problems in getting the fuel in this case air to the compressed air tank. The way of the future I think

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              • John R:

                22 Aug 2008 12:39:52pm

                Once you've put the energy and money into building a solar panel, it would be more efficient to put it on a building facing the sun direction and connect it to the grid, rather than lug it around on the top of a car for its life. Putting it on the car is just feel-good tokenism.

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          • Bertand:

            22 Aug 2008 10:25:27am

            Not that i dont think Dave will qualify for a Darwin award at some time, but electric cars will soon be available for the general public, and if the electicity is developed through renewable means (which itself is unlikely in the near future), we havea car running off renewable energy.

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              • Bullfrog:

                22 Aug 2008 11:37:15am

                And in follow up to ravensclaw's comment regarding the bateries, yes many are toxic. And many do require special handling.

                So do mobile phones. Not a blocker. And as the demand goes up, motivation to re-process old batteries will increase. It's not as if we have to have special batteries - it may become the norm to simply pull up to a 'servo', and do a quick change on battery bank, similar to the way gas bottles can be done. We don't know (yet) what the optimum approach will be, so even the use of a basic lead acid battery could be the way to go.

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 11:56:16am

                Bullfrog

                Without a major new innovation gas is probably the best way to go. Although not renewable (and nothing is truly 100% renewable over its lifecycle anyway) it is abundant, reliable and cleaner than petroleum.

                If batteries were fully running a car, a tank of fuel would last longer and a fuel tank would be much quicker to recharge than a battery.

                Cheers

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              • Stine:

                22 Aug 2008 1:51:19pm

                What about a tank of compressed air? no need for a petrol station, the lifwe of a compressed air tank is much greater than batteries etc. They are almost comeing ut on the production line in india

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              • berkrand:

                22 Aug 2008 11:41:42am

                That double negative surely must qualify though!

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              • Bullfrog:

                22 Aug 2008 12:18:32pm

                Ravensclaw,
                That's why I think that biodiesel (linked below), or hydrogen will be much more likely in the longer term.

                Natural gas may well be an interim measure. I don't know, but I won't dismiss any technology that could help the world decouple from oil (which will need to happen eventually, even if it is closer to 50 years away, rather than 10).

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 12:51:42pm

                Bullfrog

                Some non alarmist reputable sources have informed me that we may actually reach peak oil within the next 10 years.

                For those that claim that we have already reached peak oil, oil supplies grew 2% last year.

                Moving away from oil should be a short-medium term goal. Once peak oil is reached I am sure there will be a little bit of chaos.

                Cheers

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              • L:

                22 Aug 2008 1:02:12pm

                Adelaide City Council have a solar powered bus called Tindo.

                Do your homework you lot!

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 1:43:10pm

                L

                Tindo is a battery powered bus that uses solar panels to recharge. Thus it is a hybrid

                The bus itself costs $500,000. The cost of the Fast Booster Charger is unknown. More importantly the cost of the BHP Photovoltaic system is unknown.

                In optimal conditions it takes 200 minutes to recharge the bus.

                Although long life the batteries are expensive to replace.

                Max speed is 76km per hour in optimal conditions.

                Cheers

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          • Bullfrog:

            22 Aug 2008 10:29:40am

            It's really not too difficult - biodiesel (see http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2008/2336949.htm) is effective.

            Hydrogen gas also works. As people keep on pointing out, there are numerous technologies for producing renewable electricity. Solar, solar thermal, hydro-electric, geothermal, tidal, wind (I'm sure I've missed one or two). Once you have electricity, creating hydrogen is easy.

            Or we could just go for battery powered vehicles (which would work nicely in the cities). For longer distances, other options may be needed, however rail is a lot cleaner than cars or trucks, and vastly cleaner than flying.

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          • Stine:

            22 Aug 2008 11:49:33am

            Cars can run on compressed air, in fact they are about to start rolling off the production line in India.
            Air is readily available anywhere humans are able to survive, taking vast amounts of trucks off the roads, no use for fueling stations etc. etc. no carbon emissions, and a compressed air tank has a much much longer life than any solar panel, or battery etc. etc.
            All we have to do is clean up the power plants and these air cars could possibly be a big part of the solution.
            Cheers Robert

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      • Mike:

        22 Aug 2008 10:14:27am

        Wasting it on 'peeping kevin' programs is sSYMBOLISM AT ITS WORST, advertising and talk 2010 2020 2030 is OUR money lost in space we lose our homes and jobs and businesses whilst he watches.... the economy guurgle gurgggle...

        interest rates up up...>keVvie watches zzzzzzz$$$$$$$$$$$$$
        unemployment up up...>keVvie watches zzzzzz$$
        repos upppppppp...>keVvie watches zzzzzz$$$
        bank profits upp upp...>keVvie watches zzzzzz$$$$$$$$$
        fuel upp uppp uuupppp...>keVvie watches zzzzzz$$$$

        all this real pressure pushing the 'non-mining economy' will prompt;business collapse watch, poverty watch, divorce watch, suicide watch, homeless watch, crime watch, pain watch...

        FIX interest rates outlaw variable rates 5% Primary Residence
        FIX fuel prices outlaw variables $1 per litre
        FIX food prices so nobody gets more than the farmer; farmer

        ...gets 7cents for the beans in the baked bean $1.59 can

        Lets start; kevin.fix.it.or.else.watch

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          • G:

            22 Aug 2008 11:18:57am

            I don't think there was anything in your list that kevin, or any single person, can do much about, actually.
            Well, except for the folks who are overdosing on houses, plasma tvs and nissan pathfinders.

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          • Andreas:

            22 Aug 2008 12:16:46pm

            yeah!!! good idea!!! and we can put stalin back in charge and stop trading with other nations too!

            Who needs to communicate with other countries! Lets go to war with all of them! That'll fix 'em!

            Lets stop all those people making profits! How dare they!

            I think you should be fixed so that you can't reproduce (it is probably too late now though). You're obviously the second last in the buffalo herd.

            Next time you get paid think about where your money comes from before you open your mouth.

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          • Odge:

            22 Aug 2008 12:54:27pm

            Actually, while I believe that government has little to do with interest rates, they're likely to be going down any time soon. So, hang tight, hold on to that mortgage a little longer. Relief is on the way. Funny how Kev's predessor had seven rate increases in the last term and now we're probably going to see them come down. You will probably blame Kev if they go up, yet claim credit for Johny (again) if they come down. You can't have it both way I'm affraid.

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              • Spank:

                22 Aug 2008 2:10:42pm

                So if the cash rate does come down, but Swanny said the inflation jeanie was out and wouldn't be back in for some time, who takes the credit for the cut?

                Mate, I think it's more like labor can't have it both ways. They can't bleat that they have no control over inflation because of external factors, then in the same breath blame previous goverment. They have clearly said there plan is long term, so any short term movement must be lag from the previous government.

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  • michael:

    22 Aug 2008 9:05:49am

    If they want to really make a difference with our dollars and R&D why dont they look at a world class mass transport system. imagine Australia coming up with a state of the art mass transport system that would solve our overcrowded roads and could be sold to the world. instead we look over everyone elses sholder and do what they are doing. focusing on more cars. too little too late.

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      • Bullfrog:

        22 Aug 2008 9:52:32am

        Well, they wouldn't have to go much past the Japanese train system. Works very well. And use high speed (bullet) trains between the cities. Not quite as fast as flying, but considerably more environmentally friendly.

        For that matter, having a good rail network in Australia would also work to remove trucks on the highways (certainly still needed for short haul delivery, but the road trains not so much).

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          • Stine:

            22 Aug 2008 11:52:06am

            An important part of the solution I think, the troubling thing about Australia is the sheer distance between cities and vastness of our population making a mass transport system VERY VERY large

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              • Bullfrog:

                22 Aug 2008 12:22:00pm

                But given that Tokyo has roughly 25 million people using their system, it is more than possible to develop.

                Australia would need to customise the system, of that I have no doubt. But the technical issue of moving a huge number of people every day has been done. And even long distance transport can be resolved - bullet trains to major centers, with good public transport to the smaller ones.

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              • Stine:

                22 Aug 2008 1:18:11pm

                Yes

                But Tokyo has a dense and high population in a small area, making it more viable to support this type of infrastructure as there are more people travelling small distances, the problem with Australia is that you have a lot less people travelling longer distances making travel more expensive and less viable.

                Thanks

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  • David:

    22 Aug 2008 9:13:29am

    Part of the problem for the Australian car industry is that the cost of imported cars is artificially low, because the cost of transporting them from overseas is artifically low. However, the main problem is that we have too many car companies, all refusing to make cars that people actually want to buy.

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  • Michelle:

    22 Aug 2008 9:14:45am

    Tax cuts for rich, luxury car buyers!? Doesn't sound like a very good way to win votes.

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      • ravensclaw:

        22 Aug 2008 9:30:17am

        Michelle

        Unfortunately it is the expensive (hybrid) car that is the most environmentally friendly. (Although noted some expensive cars are gas guzzlers too).

        There needs to be a measure of success for an innovative motor vehicle before it would be considered to be mass produced for the masses.

        So yes imposing greater taxes on luxury cars in this case makes no sense logically, practically or even cynically.

        Cheers

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          • Michelle:

            22 Aug 2008 10:20:35am

            Thank you, Raven's Claw.

            But in that case, why not offer tax breaks/tax cuts on hybrid and low petrol consuming vehicles if promoting innovative vehicle production is the overall aim? As you have pointed out, many luxury vehicles are also "gas guzzlers".

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 11:07:32am

                Michelle

                I think tax breaks for manufacturing or subsidies for research and development to be very good ideas to improve our environment.

                So yes I agree with you. Such an initiative would be a fantastic idea across all of our industries, not just the automotive industry.

                In the 80's John Button and Paul Keating were responsible for something called Microeconomic reforms. The goal of which was to save our rapidly diminishing industry.

                Rather than a Carbon tax (which will wipe out a lot of jobs and industry) I propose a new round of Microeconomic reform called "Micro Environmental Reform". It could be utilised across every industry for any industry that wants to improve their environmental track record.

                Such a project could greatly reduce our CO2 emissions AND improve our environmental track record in other areas eg. land degradation, pollution etc.

                Dangling the carrot will always bring better results than brandishing the whip.

                Environmental activists however are more interested in bringing down capitalism than actually helping the environment.


                Cheers

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          • Ben:

            22 Aug 2008 10:30:52am

            Think again ravensclaw here are two hybrids that are below the LCT range; Toyota Prius ($37,100 to $46,900) and Civic Hybrid ($32,990).

            Let's not also forget that there are a number of diesel and LPG options that return equally impressive figures as petrol-electric hybrids (and these are also under the LCT).

            Michelle is right, welfare payments for the wealthy is not a very good political move.

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              • Bertand:

                22 Aug 2008 11:08:10am

                These arent well fare payments. There is already a tax on luxury cars, all they are saying is that they want to raise it.

                Also, many people movers are above the LCT line. Will they get exemptions? Apparently not.

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 11:13:52am

                Ben

                Hybrids at the moment are not saving that much gas. Hybrid technology was a lot more a few years ago.

                Hybrid technology will require a lot more Research and Development and that will flow onto vehicle costs pushing many models into expensive price ranges.

                If you want a quicker environmental result then dangle more carrots both to the rich and poor.

                Not increasing a tax rate for more expensive vehicles <> welfare payments for the wealthy.

                I find your logic lacking and simply cynical.

                Cheers

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              • Ben:

                22 Aug 2008 12:02:38pm

                Hi ravensclaw and betrand,

                I think you missed my point, I was just making a broad statement that if Labor doesn't introduce taxes like LTC it is seen as pandering to the well off (it was more me stating how I view Labor policy). Hence not popular politics among the 'working families' (hopefully I explained better this time).

                This of course is not my view, I would prefer a carbon tax applied to the automotive industry rather than an LCT. Perhaps even removing the LCT and introducing an additional tax for all countries who do not penalise manufacturers in their country for polluting during manufacturing as well as a tax based on how environmentally friendly their car is (which could also include how much of the car is actually re-claimable for recycling). I think most people would agree that you should have to pay to polute (so if you want that V8 expect to pay for it). Another way is at state level for stamp duties, rego, etc. to penalise for chosing higher polluting vehicles (technically insurance already does it - as performance goes up so does insurance costs). Anyway that's just a range of options as I see them - instead of punsihing someone for earning more (which other multiple taxes already do) punish them for the choice of transportation (seems fairer to me).

                Also agree re hybrid cars not actually being all that better when you can achieve similar results with diesel.

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              • ravensclaw:

                22 Aug 2008 2:17:04pm

                Ben

                My view and preference is (almost) always reward instead of punish.

                Punishment breeds resistance and resentment.

                Reward and you'll get more people doing the right thing AND happily do it.

                However I do recognise what you are trying to achieve.

                Cheers

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  • Geoffrey_Chaucer:

    22 Aug 2008 9:26:17am

    Sinclair Davidson's allusion to the poor quality of manufacture in Australia seems to imply a comparison with Japanese manufacturing standards.

    In fact, the problem is worldwide and includes Japan. It will persist as long as the manufacturers' idea of competition is to produce not the best product, but the least bad product.

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  • dragon:

    22 Aug 2008 9:27:14am

    The Aussie car industry has been propped up by the taxpayers for way too long with no net global result other than providing employment for specific locations. Even Holden's exports are weak for the Commodore. I think that the money is now better spent in the sciences and technology and export those to the world. Our manufacturing (in all areas) is crippled by the high dollar and by our standard of living compared to the likes of China, Korea, India etc. I'm not bagging unions but you can add them to the mix too.
    I've never understood why the tax payers have to provide incentive for global megacorporations to manufacture in Oz just to support a small group of workers in localised areas.
    Get rid of this 'icon' mentality, it's starting to cost us a fortune !

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      • Barry:

        22 Aug 2008 9:52:07am

        Yep. Lets throw another 120,000 people on the Krudd \ Swann unemployment line. Great idea that!

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          • dragon:

            22 Aug 2008 9:57:29am

            Giving the unfortunate 120,000 double the unemployment benefit would still be cheaper than the tax dollars being pumped into the car companies !

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          • dragon:

            22 Aug 2008 10:04:15am

            PS.
            Didn't we just read somewhere that we are importing pacific islanders to cover the labour shortage in this country ?

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          • sillyfilly:

            22 Aug 2008 10:33:41am

            If your product is not up to scratch or if it has no market, then is should not be propped up by Government subsidy. Some of our most marketable products in new technologies eg solar have gone overseas due to the lack of sponsonship for R&D, the resultant braindrain of talent, to the more focused economies, a lack of funding for technical and tertiary training/education and the resultant skills shortage. These are legacies and failures of the J Dubya Howard years, its all about missed oppurtunities. As for the throwaway line on employment; latest figures shown no growth in unemployment nor lessening in the participation rate, so please keep your figures accurate rather than idealogical.

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              • Doh:

                22 Aug 2008 10:59:22am

                Hmmm. Start by advocating economic rationalism, then note the inevitable result that products don't get made here, throw in a gratuitous reference to the class enemy and then advocate pouring public money in to directly contradict what you started with.

                Perhaps there's some potential for a perpetual motion machine yet!

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              • sillyfilly:

                22 Aug 2008 11:30:52am

                Hey DOH, hardly "homerous". My reponse is nether gratuitous nor contradictory, purely an historical perspective on why and where we're at. If there something you wish to debate please feel free, but don't come up with idealogical raw prawns, they're always on the nose.

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      • Bullfrog:

        22 Aug 2008 10:34:32am

        Given that mining companies are screaming for skilled labour, as is the power industry, as is many other major manufacturers, I don't see that finding employment for skilled labour would be a problem.

        You might need to change your town, or the work cycle (particular related to mine work), but the work is there. It will be a big change for the workers, however as many discover, it's actually a step forward to change employers (I've moved interstate twice in 12 years for work, and each time has been an improvement).

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  • Juliet:

    22 Aug 2008 9:32:56am

    hear hear!

    stop wasting our tax dollars propping up multinational dinosaur companies.

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  • Xlabnowgreen:

    22 Aug 2008 9:38:02am

    Wake up Australia! Walk out of the dark into the light - Take the Bull by the horns - we can build almost anything and do amazing things - this is a chance to show the world and our dumb economists, sheep minded-politicians, and their party first - common sense second followers, profit freaks, greedy Big & Small business people that enough is enough. Forget this world big picture rubbish! Lets start from within - we are the centre of our universe.

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      • Ben:

        22 Aug 2008 10:35:41am

        Just testing the waters, but instead of proping up large multinational auto companies we could do the radical and produce a government owned auto (such as Malaysia has done with Proton). This way technology and inovation is produced in Australia and should encourage other importers into trying to compete with the technology produced locally (and we keep our skilled work force). Not sure how economically viable this solution is though - just food for thought.

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  • Timothy:

    22 Aug 2008 10:02:39am

    Why did the Govt. spend millions of tax payers money on a hybrid Toyota which they were already going to build? By the time it is released in Australia in 2010, it will hardly be breathtakingly new technology. Why don't we invest in something really hi-tech?

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      • Doh:

        22 Aug 2008 11:01:00am

        ...because politics is the art of the possible and the practice of not getting caught doing anything really stupid.

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  • Mick R:

    22 Aug 2008 10:03:39am

    It seems to me that Sinclair Davidson is a part of the group that has meant to be making us the clever country. THAT hasn't worked either!

    Should we now shut down the educational facilities? No! We will need them to sell their overpriced & under achieving degrees, to overseas students, so that we can feed the hundreds of thousands of people the good professor plans to put out of work.

    What other pearls of economic rationalism does this demigod of education have for us?

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  • ram:

    22 Aug 2008 10:04:11am

    If the government wants to help restore Australian manufacturing there are better things they could do to help:

    (1) Remove the foreign arms dealers and buy defence goods only from Australian owned Australian companies. Some large items may have to be purchased externally (such as jets) but those should be handled on a government to government basis. Foreign arms dealers not only distort the market due to bribes to our politicians, they also wind up defining our foreign policy.

    (2) Remove the GST. Right now a 10 cent part has twenty dollars of paperwork associated with it.

    (3) Make real manufacturing expenses tax deductable. Right now patents are considered an asset rather than an expense. Depreciation on machinery does not reflect market realities - i.e. in a year or two the machine is a piece of junk - not an asset worth 80 percent of its purchase price.

    (4) Recognize manufacturing companies are not charities for the support of the financial, insurance, and real estate sectors. Manufactures bear most of the risk of investment, they should be able to retain a fair profit.

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  • sinekal:

    22 Aug 2008 10:07:28am

    We have it all wrong. Import heaps of big gas guzzling SUV's. Then we can chew gum, shout loudly, speak badly, behave arrogantly and invade a couple of nearby countries.

    Driving on the right (wrong) side of the road is not really a problem if we all do it instead of the current 3%.

    This will fix the USA's ecomonic problems and our share market can return to what it was before our banks lent money to people overseas who cant pay it back.

    Oh, and don't worry about global warming, that is the fault of millions of people cooking rice for tea using yak poop.

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  • Aaron:

    22 Aug 2008 10:13:49am

    The author lost all credibility when he said that "the climate is not a public good". The climate is a product of the nature of the planet, as are we humans. How much more "public" and "good" can you get? And why don't economists understand that?

    What a wreck of an article. I agree that propping up a declining industry with incessant taxpayer contributions is a plan doomed to fail. That said, to spin such a failure into an argument against taxing rich people is to ignore that almost all cars on our roads were too cheap to attract the luxury car tax - including most locally-built cars and the notoriously-expensive eco-friendly hybrids.

    Actually, there seems to be a lot of this on the ABC nowadays: the analysis and editorials have become increasingly conservative. Perhaps it is to appease government criticism of left-wing bias, a fallacy purported against the ABC by its own government. In any case, it seems that any right-wing blogger can get on the front page, if only to "restore the balance".

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  • Observer:

    22 Aug 2008 10:13:57am

    I said some years ago we should import all our vehicles, and let Japan choke in the pollution. I now see that we NEED our independence from the global economy and global manufacture-because soon, the cost of tranporting goods around the world will become too great, and local production will be the ONLY affordable way to continue-even down to the individual States (and perhaps cities for some things) Otherwise we will have to trust corporations with privately owned nuclear powered shipping-and that doesn't appeal to me. I gained these new opinions after observing the economic survival of South Africa during its being commercially embargoed, and seeing the vulnerabilities in our current utter dependence on international and interstate transport. Many communities in this land are not self-sustaining in food production, and this will be to their disadvantage in the long term. It is more expensive to do, but it also provides a greater level of capacity to cope in extingencies, which are to be expected and planned for. We will be proven fools to ignore the obvious.

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  • Raymondo:

    22 Aug 2008 10:19:26am

    Academics can never fix problems like this in fact they are academics because they have no idea and produce nothing not even good ideas I am part of the car industry and do get R&D but I am told I have to compete on a level playing field when I can buy petrol the same price as my competitors in the USA and pay a top tax rate of 25 % and can employee people under the same conditions as the USA 2 weeks annual leave hire and fire on a whim then I can more than compete until them we need more tariff protection not less I think it supports our workers std of living and we need to have a independent manufacturing industry in this country the car industry does more than produce cars it trains a whole work force for other industries as well

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  • Bertand:

    22 Aug 2008 10:33:14am

    Aome things might not make economic sense, but are still in the national interest. What happens if we go to war? Who will make all the things needed for the war effort? Our industry. And what is the most important industry in a war effort? The car industry.

    What we need is simply innovation.

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      • Doh:

        22 Aug 2008 11:09:08am

        We do have innovation Bertrand. Innovation of the worst possible kind.

        Why take the risk making it here when we can make a sure buck importing it? Why manufacture when you can market? Why use your own capital when you can borrow?

        Australia is in an innovative race to the bottom.

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      • John R:

        22 Aug 2008 1:08:33pm

        First we decided that we didn't need manufacturing, and sent it overseas where they could do it cheaper. Then once the manufacturing was gone, we didn't need engineers. With the manufacturing and engineering gone overseas, we didn't need managers here either. Once the management went overseas, then we didn't need the finance industries either, and there was no-one left with enough money to support the services sector. In the end no-one was doing anything so, well, we didn't need government either, and let the people from overseas do that too.

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  • Bruce:

    22 Aug 2008 10:45:14am

    The cost of cars is not the only factor to consider. The Australian automotive industry fosters and maintains many advanced technical skills that would be lost or in much shorter supply if we lost the industry.

    Tariffs, protection levels and assistance should balance the cost of vehicles to consumers with maintaining a national skills base that will certainly be called on for other purposes. In one extreme example, after Pearl Harbour virtually the entire US auto industry switched to making military hardware. This ability to switch an enormous existing production capacity rapidly was a key factor in limiting the length of WW2.

    Whilst a level of protection is required to ensure the survival of some local industry, I would like to see MUCH GREATER encouragement of technical development (R&D) to deal with the problems of the future. That means subsidies and grants directly targeting the development and sale of more efficient and alternative fuels vehicles - e.g. natural gas, hybrids, pure electric vehicles, etc.

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  • Ivan:

    22 Aug 2008 10:49:37am

    What does an economics professor know about R&D? In fact, what does an economics professor know about anything? Here's an idea Professor Davidson; How about you stick to your own field of psuedo science and try to prevent things like the sub-prime causing my superannuation to lose 15% over the last year. Leave R&D to people who actually know how to MAKE THINGS.

    It seems to me that this article is all about trying to get Professor Davidson and his mates at the Institute of Public Affairs a few thousand dollars off their next luxury car.

    Car tarrifs is the price we pay for sustaining an industry that employs thousands of people across a wide variety of occupations, from blue collar workers to highly trained engineers. The skills developed here flow through various strands of the economy, for example mant tradespoeple in small industry got their start in the car industry, as have many of the people now working in the resources sector. Australia may no longer be willing to pay that price, but then we should not whinge about the consequences (i.e. skills shortage) when we no longer have people who can actually make anything.

    Finally, I'm sure that if the car industry employed economics professors rather than engineers Professor Davidson would feel different. Here's another idea; how about the government stop pouring money into unversities, I mean ultimately this is just another form of trying to pick winners!

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  • SpaceChimp:

    22 Aug 2008 11:13:52am

    Australia's automotive industry has been propped up for years at the taxpayer's expense, and 4/5 packed up their Australian operations and left.

    Not that any of them are really Australian cars anyway. Holden is a brand of GM - get over it people.

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      • John R:

        22 Aug 2008 12:59:43pm

        Yes, we don't need to design and manufacture things in Australia. Instead we have plenty of coal and iron to sell, and we can just take the money from that and and pay other countries to do all the engineering brain-work that's too hard for us.

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  • Mark:

    22 Aug 2008 12:24:01pm

    Has everyone forgotten that when Australia introduced electricity, water and paved roads the Government did not only subsidise them it paid for them and owned them out right.

    It was not possible for the market to justify electricity to every house so the government stepped in and got building coal and hydro plants and connected them to the grid they built *and paid for).

    So IF the government decided that it is in the Australian interest to have a new industry built up, it will throw (our) money at it. So if our representatives thought it was in their best interest to build up a solar industry or wind powered base load or a new hydrogen car industry they would.

    But when electricity was introduced it was so that our representatives financial backers could sell more TVs and fridges etc to us. Then we got petrol stations and cheap cars so they could be sold to all of us and we built our cities to help keep them. BP and Ford have donate to both parties. If we want them to start a new industry and compete with the business that currently give them campaign funding we as a nation will have to become much more politically active. I doubt this will happen as Australians are mostly very comfortable with the current situation, even if it means that our children loose some coast line and a few houses owned by retirees.

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  • Jeff N:

    22 Aug 2008 12:38:40pm

    I would like to contribute a criticism on part of Sinclair Davidsons article.
    He does not define the term public good. He states why climate is not a public good (non-rivalous, non-excludable, not produced in a market etc) and then uses that to argue why government cannot correct for the markets failure in ensuring optimal allocation of consumption and investment in climate.
    Whether it is a public good or not, the climate it vital in sustaining resources for our society. The market will (has) damaged climate/society, and so intervention is required to protect climate/society. If economic theory cannot deal with this reality, then it is a shortcoming of economic theory. Such policy decisions of government rest on input from science, sustainability principles, and historical knowledge of societies that have collapsed because of climate change.
    Economics is just one discipline that can contribute to policy development, and often it is not the appropriate tool.

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  • tonks:

    22 Aug 2008 1:12:48pm

    instead of focussing on how to make green cars, we should be focussing on how we can get around WITHOUT cars

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      • sfh:

        22 Aug 2008 2:06:37pm

        agree with tonks, ride a bike, walk, catch public transport and stop letting oil companies hold you to ransom, take back your independence. it is possible if you stop sitting on your hands, plan ahead and actually think about how things can be done without needing a car.

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  • quinny:

    22 Aug 2008 1:40:28pm

    Economic debate aside, what's wrong with symbolism in this case? In a region of predominately developing nations, isn't our responsibility to at least try to lead the way towards 'greener' pastures? It will at least give us some credibility/leverage when we try to impose greener notions onto our neighbours. They won't be able to say, "we'll you didn't have a go either!".

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  • Warshawski:

    22 Aug 2008 1:58:31pm

    A pure green car is unrealistic in the short term. Batteries have high life cycle costs and environmental footprints so pure electric is out Hydrogen fuel cells do not yet provide the long life and at the moment most hydrogen is derived from coal so it is out. But there is no reason why Australia should not be making less polluting cars nowIndustry needs to wake up and produce what the market wants.
    1. Family Friendly SUV.
    2. Fuel efficient city car.

    The era of the big V8 is over except for a few die hards, and they can be imported. Australia should be making more effort in making a fuel efficient Family SUV and a city (small) car in Australia.

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  • Stine:

    22 Aug 2008 2:17:46pm

    COMPRESSED AIR CARS CAN I SCREAM ANY LOUDER?

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