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Pensioners living on dog food: Fielding

Posted September 8, 2008 09:27:00
Updated September 8, 2008 09:35:00

Family First Senator Steve Fielding

Swan a disgrace: Family First Senator Steve Fielding (AAP: Alan Porritt, file photo)

Family First Senator Steve Fielding says it is unacceptable for Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan to acknowledge that he could not survive on the pension and then refuse to immediately boost the payment.

Yesterday Mr Swan said the pension rate was totally inadequate but he ruled out increasing the payment until a Treasury review reports back by February next year.

Senator Fielding says it is not good enough and the pension should immediately be boosted by $70 a week.

"We've had pensioners ringing our office and tell us that they're living on dog food," he said.

"That's disgraceful given that these are fellow Australians and we all know the pension is too low.

"What the Rudd Government's response is, they're telling pensioners to stop complaining and wait around another 300 days before they get any increase."

Tags: aged-care, government-and-politics, federal-government, australia

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  • Gary:

    08 Sep 2008 9:42:46am

    This man is an absolute disgrace and would be comical if he did't have a share of the balance of power.

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      • chalkie:

        08 Sep 2008 10:34:28am

        Funny, I don't hear him rejecting additional pension money because it might impact negatively on families, his excuse for trashing billions of dollars in tax revenue in the last week alone.

        Did the ALP not try to twist this guy's arm by offering to allocate such revenue to increased pensions?

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          • twobob:

            08 Sep 2008 11:03:21am

            I thought that he rejected the luxury car tax because he was standing up for the two businesses of farming and tourism.
            However much I dislike the messenger his message this time is just,
            give the pensioners enough to maintain themselves
            please

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      • Jim F:

        08 Sep 2008 11:00:47am

        Obviously you know nothing about the Family First Party or the Senator and you must be a complete idiot to think what you do. I am not really a political person but a new pensioner and think it is about time that we seniors did something about the state of Australia's financial affairs. The two party system and it's inane way of always blaming the other party is gone beyond a joke now and can no longer be tolerated by the majority of Australians with any common sense whatsoever. It is not about time that the government ran this country like a business and took control of the real issues that concern both pensioners and everyday Australians instead of just pointing fingers, taking trips and making sure they make every photo opportunity. If the younger (20 to 64) Australians would like to stop and think a second, they should be asking what is is going to be like for them when they reach pension age if the government proceeds along the lines it is now and calling for a report by "expert consultants" (Sounds like "jobs for the boys to me) and does nothing to really solve the problem. They (the politicians) protected their superannuation through the future fund and granting a generous rise to their super system, so what about us??????????

        Also, what I cannot tolerate hearing now is that the government has given yet another few billion dollars in foreign aid to our neighbours to the north and has has not given us POOR pensioners or other needy citizens any help at all. Is is not amazing that they can always find a few billionn dollars to give in foreign aid as soon as something happens yet can only call for yet another colsultant's report if they get a little bad press or pressure from the public? To wait until thay finish their studies before we get a pension rate hike will probably cost the lives of many pensioners and many more will lose their homes and go to the poor house.

        The other items that needs immediate attention is (a)a positive decision to allow pensioners to earn (say up to $300 a week) if they are able to work without it affecting their pension or tax situation and (b) give the ACCC some real teeth so that it can stop the supermarket and petrol rip offs that keep growing right under their noses: A can of baked beans used to cost about $0.70 less that 2 years ago; now they cost over twice that, even when they are "ON SALE". Oil has come down to less than $112 a barrel so where are the associated petrol cuts at the bowser? Getting at the real issues at home and right under their noses might take a bit of pressure off!!

        Thank you for your time to read this and I hope it prompts some sensible thought in Canberra.

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  • mitch:

    08 Sep 2008 9:46:10am

    and this is a labor problem because? because the liberals neglected to raise the pension when they were in power for over a decade? and its only just now Labors fault? these libs need to stop throwing stones at glass houses because they're in one! and fielding is sounding more and more like nelson maybe he should jump ship to the liberals

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      • matt:

        08 Sep 2008 9:56:16am

        It's Labor's fault because they now have the opportunity to make that change. You can't just dismiss an issue by saying "How is it their fault?". Something needs to be done. Besides, this article doesn't even mention the Liberal Party.

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          • mitch:

            08 Sep 2008 10:24:57am

            rome wasnt built in a day, the govt needs to find the extra $$$ to give to pensioners, at the end of the day feb 09 for a pension increase aint too bad, i'd prefer to wait 12 months for an increase than 12 years.... all pensioners got from Libs were tax cuts, which everyone got them, no increase in the base pension

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              • spin sick:

                08 Sep 2008 10:50:58am

                But priorities must be the most vulernable - and we have seen $$$$$$ going from the medicare surcharge decision. Keep that tax in place and increase pensions as a first priority.

                NO CHANGE IN BOTTOM LINE AND MOST VULNERABLE CATERED FOR SIMPLE.

                Government is about doing stuff - opposition is where you just talk about it.

                How long is labor going to look in the rear view mirror for ??? Shall we blame Whitlam for the current state of Timor?? Come on - they said they were the future, but all we hear is about the past

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              • mitch:

                08 Sep 2008 11:06:12am

                spin sick i think you'll find if you read the article again Feb 09 is when the pension will be reformed

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          • Mwjs:

            08 Sep 2008 10:47:55am

            If this guy really cared about aged pensioners he could have proposed that the revenue raised from a new luxury car tax be used to increase pensions. Maybe he thinks most aged pensioners will appreciate not having to pay more for their next luxury car purchase, rather than be able to pay for food or electricity or the phone.

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              • Doh:

                08 Sep 2008 10:54:14am

                If this guy really cared he'd link two distantly related issues together?

                It's better to have people think you are an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt!

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              • Veronica:

                08 Sep 2008 11:08:05am

                Revenue and expenditure are two distantly related issues????

                Some people should heed their own advice!!

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      • Frank:

        08 Sep 2008 9:58:54am

        Tweedledum and Tweedledee, whats the difference between the two? Swan / Costello. All I know is I am doing it tough as a pensioner. Perhaps we should be positive and give each other tips on how to survive.

        My pensioner tip for the day is waiting behind Safeways at 5am and taking the discarded food past the use by date from the rubbish skip. I reckon it is ok if its still in plastic bags. Tuesday's are the best days for some unknown reason.

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          • trent:

            08 Sep 2008 11:06:38am

            The problem is, most of the supermarkets are now locking up their garbage bins so no-one can get at the thrown out food.
            Instead I have to pay two thirds of the price for stuff that is on its use by date.

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      • Pen Pal:

        08 Sep 2008 10:03:21am

        I'm sorry Mitch, but your statement reflects the fact that you can't see any good done by the previous Government. There were more pensioner payment increases under Mr Howard than any of the previous Labour Governments of recent times.

        It is appalling that this Labour Government has allowed such financial living strains to be imposed on Pensioners by increasing costs across the board and then denying them a small slice of the $22bn surplus.

        I don't see Senator Fielding as a joke by any measure and he needs to keep pushing for financial justice for our Senior Citizens.

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          • Hugh Jampton:

            08 Sep 2008 10:33:37am

            I find it interesting that my parents and parents in law (all now deceased) had no trouble living on the pension back in the 1990s. So I suspect that all the 'increases' under the Howard gorvernment were far from adequate when compared to true cost of living increases over those years. I think pensions are indexed to the inflation rate - this just illustrates how inadequate the official inflation rate is to determine real increases in the cost of living.

            That said, I believe this is one area where the Government could act to provide some kind of interim relief until the pensions review is done. Of course the Liberals blocking of selected revenue bills in the senate makes that harder to do...

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          • NT boy:

            08 Sep 2008 10:34:33am

            Sorry to spoil your day but the only rises with the pension over the Howard period were cpi indexed raises. there was no suffient rises that counted the GST or other major price rise influiences under that government

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          • mitch:

            08 Sep 2008 10:40:57am

            pen pal, you argument would have something to stand on but it doesn't, my nan is on a pension so i know first hand (i used to live with her), what did the liberals do with the pension whilst they built up this $22bn surplus?, NOTHING, thats where i'm coming from, Feb 09 for pension reform, sweet, thats only 14-15 months after being elected, what did libs do for 12 years? a few tax cuts and a once a year bonus (but the bonus only came in right before an election)

            Liberal feds did JACK

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      • pj:

        08 Sep 2008 10:05:15am

        This is a labour problem because they are in power. They were not voted in to follow in the footsteps of the liberals. Pussy footing around the problem will not help pensioners and is leaving them in the lurch while Kevie and his mates do what they do best....procrastinate.

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          • mitch:

            08 Sep 2008 10:18:43am

            as Roger B said

            "Is this the same pensioners that were ringing howards office for 12 years Mr . Fielding ?????"

            so explain why all of a sudden its a Labor problem PJ? glass houses mate, glass houses

            atleast Feb 09 they will have an answer, i'd personally prefer to wait 12 months over 12 years for an increase... so whats the problem? Labor is doing something about it,

            maybe that extra pension money was going to come from the revenue raised by the luxury car tax that fielding squashed last week

            thought of that PJ?

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              • Roberto:

                08 Sep 2008 10:39:07am

                Well mitch. I think pj was trying to say we have to live in the present. It's Labour's problem because they are in power now, and have the power to do something. The Opposition don't have the power. The complaint is that Labour is fobbing off the issue with the promise of a Big Report next year.

                If you can wait 12 months for an increase, then you are doing well and surviving nicely. This is about people who are strugggling NOW - you need the ability to see beyond your own nose and care for others in the community

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              • mitch:

                08 Sep 2008 10:58:14am

                12 months to wait for reform, or 12 years of neglect? who's in the wrong libs or labor? libs had 12 years in power to do something and they didn't and now its labors fault? come on the crime was done by the libs and labor are the ones in the gaol cell coping the beating, labor are tryin to fix it, stop throwing the blame at the people who are trying help this issue

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          • Pen Pal:

            08 Sep 2008 10:26:06am

            Not sure what your point is "pj", but I do agree it is a Labour Government problem which they don't seem to be accepting.

            Probably, they want the problem to go away and just keep blaming the previous Liberal Government as their reason for doing nothing - doing nothing seems to be the hallmark of this Labour Government.

            How many committees do we have now and at what cost?

            The Pensioner's demands would pale into insignificance if the Government just governed and didn't send everything to a committtee!

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              • mitch:

                08 Sep 2008 10:33:20am

                would you want to lose an extra 30c to the dollar ontop of what you're already paying, you can't give money out without finding a way to pay for it, and thats why there is the feb 09 deadline for it

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              • John O:

                08 Sep 2008 11:07:37am

                Labour are the touchy feely pander to every minority group party - everyone seems to have expected them to actually do something.

                I wasn't one of them.

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      • Gibbo:

        08 Sep 2008 10:49:32am

        Nice to see the end of "the blame game" Mitch. So in your book then, the latest interest rate cut is all to the credit of John Howard or is it only bad things that we "blame" for?

        At what point will Mr Rudd and his cohorts assume responsibility for something? Can I have a date please? Do you think it will be soon?

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      • Jennifer Ainsworth:

        08 Sep 2008 11:03:20am

        This is a Labor problem as it was a promise they made to the pensioners that helped them win the election. They should learn to keep their promises.

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  • Kathy:

    08 Sep 2008 9:48:31am

    Well said Mr Fielding. You are the MAN!

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      • Veronica:

        08 Sep 2008 10:13:54am


        Fieldings 'partners', the Liberals, neglected pensioners for 12 years.
        Fieldings 'constituents', the Porche buyers, have enough left over for Truffles and Caviar.

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          • Kathy:

            08 Sep 2008 10:32:33am

            Last time I check he is an independent senator.

            Voting against bad policy is his job, where he was elected to do. Luxury car is a bad policy. Avera

            I have no excuss for Lib but Lib had 12 years to pay off debts

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              • Veronica:

                08 Sep 2008 10:52:20am

                Lib paid debt by selling assets. Then they wasted hundreds of billions from the mining boom and the pensioners got diddley squat.

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          • Peter O:

            08 Sep 2008 10:37:14am

            Sen Fielding seems to be a "man for all season",he claims to be concerned about pensioners, but looks after the Porsche, and the Maserati drivers, the luxury car tax would certainly help pensioners buy a few more public transport tickets.

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              • Kathy:

                08 Sep 2008 10:50:01am

                Last time I check porche, maserati or Ferrari costs more than 4WD (4WD costs well about 70k).

                Also I see a lot of families who have income less than 70K pa own 4WD, not porche, maserati or Ferrari.

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          • Doh:

            08 Sep 2008 10:44:31am

            The "12 years" mantra carries with it two promises. First that it is possible to do something. Second that Labor will do something.

            GET ON WITH IT!

            ...or alternatively stop bleating out the mantras.

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  • Harding:

    08 Sep 2008 9:48:51am

    I think it is a disgrace. Mr Swan ought to support the elderly in our community by raising the pension. Shame labor, shame!

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      • matt jacobs:

        08 Sep 2008 9:54:45am

        and why couldnt howard and costello raise the pension whilst they were in power for 11 years?, instead they just gave them a once a year bonus, how does the once a year bonus help?

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          • Mick:

            08 Sep 2008 10:23:25am

            Time to stop blaming the previous government Matt. This one lies squarly on the shoulders of the ALP. What will THEY do?

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              • mitch:

                08 Sep 2008 10:42:24am

                Feb 09 for pension reform, please read the article again, they can't just throw the money at the pensioners without doing sufficient research as to where to extra pension money is coming from

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      • Sam:

        08 Sep 2008 10:01:32am

        Do you know who delivered the previous eleven budgets?

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      • 2B:

        08 Sep 2008 10:10:35am

        Well, we know where a nice bag of $ towards increasing pensions is not to be found, thanks to Sen Fielding.

        It's not coming from taxing luxury cars, including yuppie wagons driven by tax-dodging hobby farmers.

        Not many of them eating dog-food.

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  • jo blo:

    08 Sep 2008 9:49:12am

    Is this the same guy that refused the luxury car tax?

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      • Skewer:

        08 Sep 2008 9:54:48am

        Good point, luxury car tax was $500 million so if there are 1 million pensioners in Australia that would have been $500 each - not a bad start...

        But of course Mr Fielding is really just a Lib in disguise so why would he care about pensioners when there are self funded retirees with a couple of volvos he needs to stick up for!

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          • Doh:

            08 Sep 2008 10:46:57am

            This increase in tax on cars was going to pay for a lot of things according to the Labor fan club. We've seen in this forum that it was going to be used for roads, education, and now increased payments to pensioners.

            Never let a fact get in the way of a good argument.

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          • Chappy:

            08 Sep 2008 11:05:17am

            Due to the fact we have customs-duty/tariffs, GST, stamp duty and increasing values of income tax as per $$$ earnt, a Luxury Car Tax should NOT EVEN EXIST, let alone saying that it could have been spent here or could have been spent there......

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      • larry:

        08 Sep 2008 9:55:12am

        that money would never have gone to fixing this problem i tell you

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      • davo:

        08 Sep 2008 10:00:11am

        Hear! Hear!

        How can we expect a government to just keep on spending and spending without having access to additional funds.

        If I ran my personal finances that way, just booking things up on credit without the means to pay for my purchases, I would soon be bankrupt.

        Government is no different, they just have a bigger credit card. But the debt must be repaid sooner or later.

        I am sick of all these conservative politicians decrying and increase in revenue and at the same time cryinf crocidile tears because there is not an increase in spending.

        It is logical consequence that you can't continually cut government income and at the same time expect increased spending.

        Just imagine if you personal finances worked that way. The bos continually cuts your pay, but you still have all the same bills and expenses to pay, not to mention that these bills just keep going up as well. A recipe for financial ruin.

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      • Jack:

        08 Sep 2008 10:04:34am

        Yep, this is the guy who has just helped his Coalition mates put a substantial amount of money back into the pockets of all those people doing it so tough financially that they cant pay extra tax on their luxury cars. Gee, I would love to be doing it tough like that.

        Its funny - I didnt see Fielding squawking about the pension when Howard and co ran the country. All of a sudden, Labor is in office and suddenly Fielding is bleating about the pension, as if the problem just blew up since last November when Howard and co were tossed out. I didnt see Howard or Costello doing anything about the pension in the eleven years they ran the country.

        In terms of the luxury car tax increase he killed off, perhaps it hasnt occured to Fielding that the additional revenue raised by the increase could actually fund an increase in the pension. But that would have required Fielding to vote with the government - hardly something Id expect from a tory attempting to pass himself off as an independent.

        If there is a disgrace in this story, its Fielding.

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  • Decade:

    08 Sep 2008 9:50:34am

    The liberals have had 10 years to increase the pension and did nothing. Pensioners are doing it tough and an increase should have been done long ago. It's a disgrace.

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  • Disappointed Again:

    08 Sep 2008 9:51:04am

    Shame on politicians who award themselves remuneration increases and live executive lifestyles while the generations that came before them "live" poverty stricken from pension day to pension day...

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  • roger b.:

    08 Sep 2008 9:51:44am

    Is this the same pensioners that were ringing howards office for 12 years Mr . Fielding ????? This just shows that the religious right(family first, after profits to the mining and oil industry) is just a break away liberal party and would not listen to the greens idea about the luxury car tax.He should try living on a sickness benifit of $442.90 a fortnight ($221.45 a week). And its CAT FOOD not dog food.

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      • kristine smith:

        08 Sep 2008 10:19:57am

        wow - i always found feeding my cat more expensive than myself - there are many other "cheaper" products than cat food on the shelves... dont see why they would buy it!
        I would prefer to eat a bowl of 2 minute noodles than cat food

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  • Skewer:

    08 Sep 2008 9:51:51am

    Sounds like pensions need a boost - fair enough - but Fielding is showing he doesn't know anything about budget processes.

    Government can't suddenly just spend a few extra billions on the spur of the moment - correct budget processes need to be followed - this is one of the reasons we have a functional accountable democracy, not a Mugabe style random spending machine!

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  • MarkW:

    08 Sep 2008 9:52:08am

    Our local butcher sells dog mince for 50 cents a kilo compared to between eight and ten dollars a kilo for regular mince.

    If you're hungry, it's better than nothing. Perhaps they should server it in Parliaments' cafeteria.

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  • LizB:

    08 Sep 2008 9:52:14am

    This guy needs to sit down, shut up, and learn a bit about being in Federal Politics.

    Yes, the pension is a disgrace. No, it's not Labor's fault. My grandmother lives on the pension, and whilst she's not living on dog food, she does manage to stretch absolutely every cent.

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      • Doh:

        08 Sep 2008 10:50:14am

        Liz, since Labor became the government it is their fault, and the delay until next February is definitely their fault.

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  • matt jacobs:

    08 Sep 2008 9:53:33am

    Fielding, problem with it is Labor will want to raise the pension but it will be the libs in the senate that will block it!!! and they'll give the excuse "it will add to inflation"

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  • NT boy:

    08 Sep 2008 9:53:46am

    Well if Fielding didn't pass the luxury car tax and is saying he is going to block other things in the budget, how can the government allocate extra money when he is creating holes in budget just to get headlines... some of that half billion he blocked may have been released - but its not there anymore because of him.. He no longer has any credability to comment.

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  • Jeremy:

    08 Sep 2008 9:57:55am

    That's stupid, there is cheaper real food than dog food. What about Mi Goreng 2 minute noodles. I know this because I'm a full time student, which means I get even less money than pensioners.

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  • Jonno:

    08 Sep 2008 9:59:47am

    That picture of Steve Fielding should have the caption "Fielding showing how people eat dog food."

    Seriously though, Steve "Dont tax the rich" Fielding is obviously barking up the wrong tree. His mate John Howard still has a lot to answer for.

    And really maybe they have to eat dog food, because they cant afford to buy proper food from the ever more profitable "Fresh dog food people".

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      • Kathy:

        08 Sep 2008 10:43:45am

        Well swan can always increase the tax on the high income earners, who so called " THE RICH"

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  • Horry:

    08 Sep 2008 10:00:50am

    Why are SOME pensioners able to avoid eating dog food?

    Aren't pension rates the same in all States of the Commonwealth?

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      • Stop_the_madness:

        08 Sep 2008 10:42:40am

        Probably because the cost of living varies from place to place.

        Amd before anyone suggests it, no, it is not reasonable to ask pensioners to move away from their family and friends to a cheaper town/city.

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          • Horry:

            08 Sep 2008 10:59:05am

            For the sake of argument, let's say Sydney has the highest cost of living in Australia.

            How are some Sydney pensioners able to avoid spiralling into dog food consumption?

            Or do you say there are certain geographic areas in which ALL pensioners are eating dog food?

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  • stephen:

    08 Sep 2008 10:04:09am

    Raise the pension now and abolish it altogether next year. It's a saving made now for the future. Seen Soilent Green?

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  • Peter H:

    08 Sep 2008 10:12:47am

    Mr Fielding is ridiculous - people rang his office and told him they were living on 'dog food'. Rubbish. Ask them to prove it Mr Fielding. Surely you don't believe everything someone spouts to you on a phone line. If you do you are very foolish. But then in the past few weeks you have shown that to be the case anyway.
    Remember a few years ago when a TV station current affairs program ran the same rubbish? It turned out the bloke only did it to get on TV.
    Tinned food can be purchased as cheaply as dog food so why would someone opt for dogfood unless they were deranged.
    Fielding needs to get real.
    Yes single pensioners need an increase but a PROPER increase which is worked out correctly and is permanent.
    This has not been the case in the past and I am pleased that Swan is actually looking at it properly.

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  • Michael:

    08 Sep 2008 10:13:54am

    hmmm, weet bix is cheaper than dog food so what's going on there! the pension is too low, yes, but exaggeration won't help the campaign...

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      • Darren:

        08 Sep 2008 10:35:50am

        Senator Fielding needs to have good look at what he really stands for last week he votes against luxury car tax which is at $57k honestly how many people can even afford such a luxury & now senator Fielding says pensionors need more money which no doubt they do, where does hethink the government will get the money if he votes against sensible revenue raising issues. Family First not Senator Fielding First most families can not afford $57k so start thinking about the demographicsenator Fielding

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  • Brett:

    08 Sep 2008 10:19:30am

    Homebrand bread 99c

    Homebrand noodles 99c

    Tuna $1.50 a can

    Cherry Tomatoes at Franklins 99c a punnett.

    Soup packs $2.99

    Dog food anywhere between 99c and $2-3

    It's a beat up...

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      • Horry:

        08 Sep 2008 10:34:02am

        Home Brand noodles are well under 99c. Indeed, within the last 12 months I've seen Home Brand noodles as cheap as 29c a pack.

        You can get 5-packs of Maggi noodles for $2.50 at my local Coles.

        What's the bet these pensioners are wasting their money buying Pedigree Chum Beef & Veal rather than buying generics??

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  • emhart:

    08 Sep 2008 10:20:22am

    I have read of and seen reported on TV news that pensioners have been living on dog food for at least the last 40 years! I don't believe that I have ever seen these claims substantiated.

    Could the politician making the the claim now be asked to provide some actual evidence to support his claim?

    I know quite a few people living on the pension, none of whom has ever been reduced to eating dog food or indeed pet food of any kind. It is quite clear the pensioners do not live in luxury. It is my belief that they should get more but I do not see how sensationalist and undocumented claims help their cause. It really seems to me that the member is sensationalising an issue for his own exlusive benefit.

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  • Tony:

    08 Sep 2008 10:21:12am

    1. I agree with Senator Fielding - I am a pensioner and I know what we get.........Anyone who does not have to live on what is being dished out in the age pension will not know the difficulties faced. You have to play the game before you can interpret the rules and it makes me very angry indeed to see criticisms of any sort of Fielding over this particular aspect. The age pension has been and still remains a disgusting level of support for older Australians. For those who have commented negatively, just try living on about $550 a fortnight and see what happens........Go on, I dare you !!!!!!!! You cannot do it without living in poverty.

    2. With respect to the comment on Fielding blocking the tax on luxury cars, this is just too rich to not add my view. Well done for blocking the tax Senator Fielding because the tax is based on the wrong premise: soak the rich. Even one of the luxury car makers has commented that he would have no objections to a tax on fuel efficiency, and really, that is the way to go...Not a tax on luxury, but a tax on how well the vehicle uses its fuel. In other words, huge petrol guzzling vehicles would be hit hard, more environmentally friendly vehicles would not be hit as hard, if at all. The tax as rejected is aimed at the wrong target completely and I am pleased to see it gone.

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      • excantare:

        08 Sep 2008 10:39:36am

        1. I have lived on *$420* a fotnight (as a student), which had to cover all my bills, rent and food. Fielding's claim is still a beat up, because I can tell you, there are easily available foodstuffs which are *much* cheaper than dog food. If you're eating dog food, instead of noodles, rice, canned veggies etc. you're just silly. plus, $550 a week? Not that bad. Try living on an postgrad award, or youth allowance. Go on - I dare you!

        2. Why is getting tax from the rich a bad idea? Should it come from the poor? The basic premise of our tax system is you pay what you can - the poor pay less, the rich pay more (if they can't find a way out of it). I agree a tax on fuel efficiency will help, but you can't dump that on people in the short term, especially people like the working poor and pensioners. You'd think you'd know that, being one.

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          • postgrad:

            08 Sep 2008 10:59:06am

            I live on postgrad award ... i believe is less than a pension, only just above the henderson poverty line, 35% goes on rent ... while it's nowhere near enough (considering you don't have time to supplement this income, and i am providing reasonable quality research, i.e. cheap high skilled labour) i still live, eat and drink very well. I guess the difference is i don't have time to put it through the pokies ...

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          • Kathy:

            08 Sep 2008 11:07:52am

            1. I pay $200 per week in rental that is not including ultility. I have to work to buy food and text books. (thanks god that I dont need to pay uni general fee).

            2. How do you define RICH? how much they earn? people who drive 4WD or porche? o - then you should tax them according to your definition.

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      • Jack Dore:

        08 Sep 2008 10:49:58am

        Question for you Tony: I agree you deserve more per week in your pension, but do you eat dog food? Do you know any pensioners that eat dog food?

        Also, regarding the luxury car tax, wasn't this tax on brand new cars? Buy a 6mth old car, avoid the tax, avoid the 'off the lot' depreciation, avoid the annoying little problems that come with a brand new car.

        If you have to have a brand new car, and cannot put up with an almost new car, that is a luxury. Who has to have brand new cars, big business? Who are you really protecting Fielding?

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  • Lynne:

    08 Sep 2008 10:21:52am

    It wasn't just the pension that Liberals refused to raise. It was all Social Security except for the Baby bonus.
    Divorced single mothers suddenly thrown onto Newstart when their youngest turns sixteen or those struggling on Austudy or youth allowance are doing it even harder than pensioners. From my position the pension looks downright luxurious with their different concessions and utility allowances and higher rate than austudy.
    People have to constantly go to welfare agencies to help them survive.
    John Howard also eradicated the Widows Allowance which was virtually the equivalent of the pension.
    There is a lot of older people whose job skills are redundant or they never had them as they were mothers of large families who can't get jobs and are in just as desperate circumstances as pensioners.
    All Social security is inadequate and that is one of the reasons there is a shortage of many professionals including doctors, nurses, teachers and why our society is now riddled with crime undertaken by those starving on the streets.
    Have a listen to this weeks Background Briefing and listen to the disgraceful state of affairs for our youth.
    We live in a society that panders to the rich and continues to go down that divisive path. We're rapidly starting to follow the script of many third world countries that are looked on solely as service centers for multi-nationals.

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      • Roberto:

        08 Sep 2008 10:53:03am

        Very true Lynne. It is an absolute disgrace. I live in the country where money doesn't go as far as in the big city, and it IS tough. But I am amazed at the community spirit and the level of volunteerism that goes on - generally by pensioners!

        Part of me wishes all pensioners would go on strike for a week from ALL volunteering, just to show the government how much "free" work is being done in this country in areas (such as health, homecare, social services, assisting police services, volunteer firefighting...) I would love the government to add up the bill for the "additional cost" to replace these volunteers on pensions. We'd get a raise pretty damn quick!

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  • Big L:

    08 Sep 2008 10:23:58am

    In all Honesty... Pensioners should be getting the Average Wage Allowance.
    That's if you want to play FAIR!!

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      • gladly:

        08 Sep 2008 10:31:37am

        Surely Steve could feed them all with only a few loaves and fishes?

        And honestly.. Have these dog food eating pensioners ever considered potatos? they're a heck of a lot cheaper than dog food.

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          • Doh:

            08 Sep 2008 10:59:27am

            Isn't Kevin07 our loaves and fishes merchant? Or perhaps Mr Abbot? When two of them say they're Jesus one of them must be wrong!

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  • Sibad:

    08 Sep 2008 10:25:45am

    It just goes to show that intelligence or the lack of is not a barrier to success in Australian politics.

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  • NT boy:

    08 Sep 2008 10:29:06am

    I own a dog, and if they can afford dog food they are getting to much.. *joke - people*

    Seriously, the eating of dogfood by the poor is just an urbane myth taken to the extreme by a headline grabbing media junky who is so out of touch with families that the name of his party is the bigest ironical joke in Australian politics.

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  • pmoes:

    08 Sep 2008 10:29:11am

    That comment is a load of crap.
    Tinned dog food is just as expensive (if not more so) as buying a can of stewed beef for humans. (mmmm Kr*ft Braised Steak and Onions)
    Pensioners who may be eating tinned dog food, probably by mistake, have been neglected by their family and community and that is where the fault lies.
    I agree pensioners should be paid more money.
    I agree teachers should be paid more money.
    I believe our defence force should be paid more money.
    I agree that Steven Fielding is handing in his retirement notice by siding with the Liberal Party to stop the tax increases on items that the more wealthy can afford to pay.
    He will be thrown out at the next election, regardless of which major party wins

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  • macca:

    08 Sep 2008 10:31:54am

    I find it difficult to believe that there are really people living on dog food. I think Senator Fielding is using a cliche' for political purposes. Why would people be actually living on dog food? It's not as if dog food is cheaper than human food? If there really are those who are living on dog food I would be so blunt as to suggest that they need more than just financial help....

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  • Jack Dore:

    08 Sep 2008 10:33:25am

    The of pensioners is closer to 2 million (varying categories). If things are so bad that dog food is being eaten (I am a little skeptical about this, but anyway), to make a significant difference, I estimate $50 a week would be needed ($10 a week is laughable). This equates to $5.2billion.

    Even $20 a week extra is a bit over $2billion.

    If the govt is to find this sort of money, on top of the extra billions people are screaming for to go into health, education etc, everyone is going to have to give up something, be it tax cuts, other low cost services, pay extra taxes ...

    And don't forget the number of pensioners is increasing every year (have seen projections of over 3 million by 2021).

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  • Angus:

    08 Sep 2008 10:35:08am

    All his behaviour so far in the parliment points to him being a Liberal proxy. Fancy calling him Family Fist. if anything they are hardly family first.

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  • peter:

    08 Sep 2008 10:36:06am

    Labor have themselves to blame for letting the Fielding jeanie out of the bottle. He got some minute primary vote in the election before last and jumped ahead of the Greens and others for the last Senate spot in Victoria with preferences from Labor. Bet they're regretting that one. Sometimes the Labor preference negotiators need their heads read.

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  • Lassie:

    08 Sep 2008 10:39:10am

    Why won't anyone think of the hidden victims of this story? Labradors, Chihuahuas, and Pit Bulls alike, forced to endure human food like fresh fruit and vegetables or rare barbecued steaks with overly rich mushroom sauce all because those selfish pensioners are cutting into Australia's supply of quality jellied offal. Maybe next time Fielding opens his snout, he should think of little Rover, howling into his food bowl.

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  • Deesy:

    08 Sep 2008 10:40:09am

    Being on a carer's pension I agree that everyone needs an increase to keep up with the cost of living, food & petrol but dog food??? come on.... bloody dog food is very expensive...how about hot dogs, cereal, store brand canned goods.....let's no over exaggerate!! Perhaps the folks eating dog food are spending their pension on lottery tickets, cigarettes and booze.

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  • Rosie:

    08 Sep 2008 10:41:22am

    As a student, this topic gets me so incensed! Pensiors have DOUBLE to live on what students do (we get $235 a fortnight and it is docked if we earn any money). We have to pay rent, groceries, text books when most pensioners already have a home (no rent) and seem to spend so much free time at cafes and eating out...if you work for forty years it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to make sure you are set up for life after work and you shouldn't rely entirely on the government. Student allowance is what really needs to be addressed.

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  • Dan :

    08 Sep 2008 10:42:57am

    Will everybody just admit that the pension is too low and fix it. Stop wasting oxygen trying to aportion blame.
    It's broke , fix it, get on with life.

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      • Jim Bendfeldt:

        08 Sep 2008 11:02:10am

        The Greens have been calling for a $30 per week increase in the single pension for the past two years.

        Fielding's behaviour is disgraceful, one minute he opposes a tax on luxury vehicles without reading the fine print, (which would have told him that it would not impact on primary producers), the next minute he is whinging about pensioners having to eat cat food.

        I'd like to know what his position will be, when some of the bigger issues end up in the senate, such as